Dawg, you are nitpicking the finest and most specific detail. It is a bigger missile. It weighs more. It has no “real” control surface (in the form of a winglet). Common sense tells me that’s stat is not right.
You call it better than the AIM-120 though.
Its only max Gs but it doesnt tell u the fin aoa for example derby can turn like r77 all tho it has 40 Gs cuz it has gokd fin aoa or aim 120 at lunch
And also, other CAP to kill SU-34 need to get through Pantsir (most of the time even fire upon right after spawn)
Russian CAP doesn’t have to worry much about this sht.
su34 is vulnerable to aim120 from higher alt tho i got a double kill on them with f15c at near 20km but much higher alt i know this isnt unique to su34 but it bleeds energy easy
Please refer to these two images
Yes the R-77 has better pull and fin acceleration but it also has guess what a larger wing area due to the waffle fins meaning it bleeds all of its energy trying to turn which guess what, it means at further ranges it ends up pulling worse than the AMRAAM.
Also need to mention that the R-77 is over 40kg heavier than the AMRAAM at the end of its booster meaning its having to drag more mass when it turns bleeding its speed even more
The point is
It takes jet to do the job to prevent them to do it effectively
As western CAP the thing that need put into consider when try to hunt them is
Pantsir
R-77 yeah, they can fight back too if not careful
basically, you need two thing that need to put in to account mean you need to dodge pantsir and on the same time looking for them and their missile too
what does SU-34 need to worry about?
Only enemy jet
Let’s just look at the winrates in the top ranks on the tips and compare it with other countries.
You’re the one who brought it up, not me. If airfield AA was as effective as you claim, this whole discussion wouldn’t even be happening. Jets like the SU-34 couldn’t freely farm ground targets from outside AA range if airfield defenses actually did their job. But they don’t.
So you’re saying CAS is never an option if there’s a single fighter in the air? That’s a ridiculous take. CAS is a core part of the game, and you shouldn’t be punished for spawning it. Right now, the problem is that there’s no counterplay when Russia dominates both air and ground. It’s not about bad decisions — it’s about bad balance.
So… never spawn CAS? Thanks for proving my point. You’re basically saying don’t play the game.
Great. So you’ve had twice as much time to see that the balance is broken. Congratulations. Maybe instead of flexing your match count, you should actually address the problem?
And by the way, I’m not just talking about the SU-34. I’ve already mentioned the Ka-50, Ka-52, and Pantsir. The issue is the combination of these vehicles, not any single one.
It’s not about the R-77s alone. It’s about the fact that while you’re dodging the SU-34, you’re also dealing with Pantsirs on the ground and potentially helicopters in the air.
It’s not just one vehicle that’s the problem. It’s the broken synergy between all of them. You have to dodge missiles from every direction while trying to play the game. And once again — there’s no counterplay.
Now, let me flip the question back to you:
Why is it okay for Russia to have fire-and-forget capabilities with the KH-38 missiles, but NATO can’t have Brimstones with the same feature?
The Brimstone was nerfed for being too strong, yet the SU-34 can do exactly what the Brimstone was supposed to do — and somehow, that’s fine?
So again, why the hell is this being defended so hard?
Why is it okay that one nation is the absolute top-tier king right now?
Im the one posting actual data you’re just bitching about 50Gs in the statcard like some child
Thinking that helicopters in general don’t have busted damage models.
yes CAP options should be cheaper and better air defense options available to other trees but when there are CAP aircraft up its verry vulnerable (not weak but vulnerable)
they do but most egregious it the ka52 and 50 they take way more hits than later ah1s or even z10
Source ?
Why is it okay for NATO to have UFOs while RU is stuck with flying boats ?
Two questions that can be answered with the same sentence. You aren’t allowed to be the best at everything, that’s what balance is.
The fact that the Soviet side is winning the top rank has already been said by many bloggers on Youtube and even proved it. Everyone has already said this. That’s why I’m finishing off the rest of the premium days and taking a break from the game until they introduce at least some kind of balance.
Maybe because they have to dodge the best SPAA in the game while hunting jet at the same time?
do Russian ever have to do things like this at the same times?
even F-15E have dodge pantsir and worry about jet
what SU-34 has to put into account when flying?
only enemy jet
You’re on the AF for 15s at most no SU-34 is gonna be staring at the airfield when he could be throwing KH-38s
Actually you should be punished for being a CAS player but thats another issue
Yeah there is its called spawn your fucking fighter and throw an AMRAAM at his skull idiot
Please highlight where i said the words “never spawn CAS” i think you need to get your head checked you’re clearly unwell making up fictional scenarios in your mind
Am i anton yudinetsev now?
Helis are a non threat and guess what you can do
Dive to the deck chuck an AMRAAM at the Su-34 then climb to orbit and go back to being a CASbaby
Because its called a slippery slope you fucking idiot if they gave brimstones FNF then russia would get something even more broken in return and then NATO would cry again and get something even more broken all while SPAA stays the same, the KH-38 being added was a mistake you have to deal with and actually didn’t you say earlier i should “adress the problem” well heres how to adress it shut the fuck up until everyone gets better SPAA and then you can get your fancy 16 FNF missiles because as it stands currently there is zero counter if it were to be added
Pretending Pantsir pose a threat to the new jets.
Pansir broke the game and it still hasn’t been resolved. It turns out that we will have to take a very long break in the game.