Serious Balance Issues with Russian Vehicles in War Thunder

So what’s the deal with everyone bringing up Pantsir like it’s a 15km death bubble that no one can escape, while in reality subsonics can dodge it just fine ?

There’s also far fewer players on REDFOR for ground in my experience.

I just did lol

Here the question
Have you ever get fire upon by any SPAA in your hardcore suffering SU-34 right after spawn for 2second? and I’m sure the answer is no because no SPAA can reach that range
Sure, it didn’t kill me, but it annoyed me that force me to go to defensive while those brain rot flying without care in the world until I finally get to them and kill them.

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Wrong. Especially during events, people pick easy mode to grind the stars easily. I regularly see 2 or 3x more players queues up for USSR at rank 8 than for US or Germany.
And yeah the kh38 sealclubbing is more appealing than playing an actual nation.

By going defensive you mean not being afk.
AAs that can be dodged by a subsonic aren’t a threat to 14.0 jets.

Jeez have you ever fly anything in GRB apart from Russian? by the look and the answer, you’re done it before
because your answer are the same
Flying Brick
Suffering
Deserve KH-38
sure as sht you say otherwise when i say Tornado GR4 deserve LOAL too you say it should go up BR
in case you don’t know
GR4 don’t have Air radar
only two 9M
way less maneuverable than SU-34
see? worse than SU-34 in every way why don’t it deserves better Air to ground munition and sit the same as SU-34?
and the most of all British line up are worse in the game
sure, as hell deserve something good right but no deserve up BR
you hypocrite.

@MotorolaCRO Aren’t you tired of arguing with him yet? He is unable to answer a single question.

Yes as having 15x fully unleashed LOAL Brimstones is much better than just 6x KH-38s.

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Yeah, but it has
no PESA radar
No ARH
less maneuverable
only two 9M
and often facing best SPAA in the game
well, deserve LOAL at same BR as SU-34, right? because it all it has “RIGHT?”
Yeah, Typhoon might not deserve LOAL Brimstone by your standard
but what about Tornado GR4? it pretty much met your suffering lists in every category.

it also faces way better AA systems.

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Yeah, i forget that

It could get it as we get more BRs in GRB to be a decent pick over EFT in some cases.

What wrong?
why can’t it sit at same BR as SU-34 when it worse than SU-34 it everyway except Air to Ground?
because by your standard Tornado GR4 should receive better Air to Ground weapons because it suffering hard right?
(I even forget it slower than SU-34 too)

Of course you don’t focus on them, the Mig-29 is a air defense aircraft with a small fuel tank (They weren’t very happy with the SMT considering later models.) and the Su-27 has good enough flight performance while being able to do more thanks to its size. They didn’t call it one of the most maneuverable fighters of its time for nothing. Sure, it’ll get stomped by a Eurofighter in a dogfight, but I imagine it can still notch/crank/etc. just fine.
It’s not about competing with the Eurofighter so much as it’s about being able to compete at all.
I mean the F-16 should only be able to beat the Mig-29 in a dogfight if they stay above 100 knots and are in a guns-only fight. I know the F-16 is overperformimg, but there’s still something wrong with this picture courtesy of it bleeding speed in game like the F-18 does irl

Why are you even bringing up Tornado as it’s a heavily compressed vehicle in GRB ?
By doing that, you will force me to bring up SM3, which is a radar-less, subsonic aircraft with 2x R-73 and only 4x Kh-38s at 12.7.

It’s worse than Tornado and should need something to compensate for those 15x fully unleashed LOALs, right ?

Do SU-25sm3 have better air to ground weapons than what they currently have irl?
sure, I don’t mind if they do have one, I’m willing to accept it too
are you?
one more thing
SU-25SM3 and SU-34 don’t have face Pantsir
Tornado GR4 do (guess which one more handheld)

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The most logical explanation is that there is skill based matchmaking in place. My theory is that if you do too well consistently (relative to your team or overall), the game will force you to fight much stronger players/nations to compensate.

When I play US I legitimately see GER RU SWE together more than 50% of the time when even 20% would be suspicious. Yet I have NEVER been on a GER RU SWE team myself, when I play Germany (very rare these days), I almost always face US and Russia together which also NEVER happens when I play US.

If I’m right and this SBMM reads your performance relative to your team, then decent US players get punished heavily because anyone with a lineup will perform way better than a one death leaver

Seeing how you moan about 6x Kh-38s I doubt you are willing to accept anything more than that.

Planes with historically accurate Brimstones wouldn’t need to worry about Pantsir.

You tell me, as LOAL munitions are probably the most handheld thing we will see in the game.

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I do I really don’t mind as long we have equivalent (and irl they don’t have any better than KH-38 so i don’t worry much maybe KH-28 ARM but well HARM exist)

Same as SU-34 and SU-25SM3 don’t have to worry about other SPAA and they doing it right now

Dog sht flight performance deserves something good right? you said it yourself.

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The KHs aren’t an equivalent as they aren’t LOAL, they actually require you to find targets yourself.

I’m not using the “AA problem” card.
You’re trying to portray it like they would have to deal with Pantsir, which is false.

They do, but your Tornado receiving 15x LOAL would instantly mean SM3 gets equal amount (or even more) of KHs.