Sea Harrier, Gr Harriers, AV-8A/AV-8C, and AV-8S discussion about flight performance

I see would be nice to be able to take more or less water.

Found something else out today to thanks to Flame ofc.

My guess for the Harriers weight and loadout is 17,090 lbs 2xaden 2xAIM9G as seen on the AV-8A V-N Strength diagram.

At 250 Knots the Harrier Gr.3 can sustain 9 degrees a second and at 500 knots it can sustain 13 or so ish

ITR is better than MiG-21 below 250 Knots and is 6-7 degrees slower until 550 Knots so 400 knots you get 15 below buffet onset without VIFF.


Slap this on there you get this


With a 60 degree VIFF at 400 Knots you are just 3 degrees ITR slower than a MiG-21 a plane that is known for its ITR.

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So to guestimate using the 17,090 lbs (waiting of a reply to see the Harriers E-M chart that missing in the report)
Note: ITR was tested near the known buffet onset for 0 flaps setting. (mouse aim conveniently limits the Harrier to 16 degrees AOA or so for the most part.)

ITR at 400 knots no VIFF is just 14.2 degrees a second compared to the 15
VIFF was only 15.7 not 17 (just proves my VIFF report)
STR at 500 knots was a whooping 9 degrees a second compared to 13 (I don’t care if gaijin said 100% throttle is normal lift dry i used the engine temp setting of 695 degrees C as stated in the manuals) with 100% throttle it is only 11 degrees a second regardless and is still too slow.



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Do we know what that maps to in terms of angle percent %; Since we don’t actually have any sort of direct readout in game?

98.5 is breaking stop irl in game it’s 100% so they are extremely close.

100% nozzles = 98.5 degrees

So 60% nozzles is really close for general testing.

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Ok but in their defense that applies to like literally everything in WT ever so it proves they’re unbiased

didnt they “remove” the water so that it could actually use vtol for extended periods more than 30s?

Don’t think so. I know the thrust has a bodge or something because set to IRL figures it didn’t work or something

That was disproven already.

Gaijin simply got the Mk.101 Pegasus thrust incorrect and gave it the thrust of the Mk. 102 and 402 engine.

All the other Pegasus are by brochure numbers.

(However I have installed engine thrust and they all need a decrease in thrust)

I believe personally that the weight of the gun pods is in the fuel as the gun pods are modeled as part of the basic aircraft.

Just want to point out that Gaijin hasn’t even gotten the visual models of the British Harriers correct. Legit just gave them all the AV-8A model. Didn’t even get the flaps and aileron sizes correct.



Below is RAF harriers:
Notice under the front nozzles the fuselage was widened for the more powerful engine.
Between the two nozzles the British harriers have a different nozzle aerodynamic cone than the Gr.1/AV-8A.
The front nozzle cone is also smoother and extenders further behind the front nozzles effectively covering it more.


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I have the exact engine thrust loss figure


. A whopping 800 lbs at high mach.

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GR1 and GR3 also have AV-8A/C cockpits I think. Which is why there are flare buttons in the cockpit on the GR1

Not quite every harrier has the Gr.3 cockpit by the looks of it. The American harriers did not have INAS the backup sight was also different.


AV-8C swapped the backup sight for the AN ALE 45f rwr display.

I believe @Gunjob confirmed there was a report made to get the AV-8C its correct rwr as well as the Thai ones.

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The US harriers used different equipment IIRC and that would explain the slight differences

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Along with different navigation and transponders and rwr

meanwhile the AV8-A: RWR??? WHAT RWR???

Yes it had none, same with gr1

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Saw Christine GR.9 today on my journey!

The cursed harrier that has a car as a kill marking

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Pretty. Wish she was still flying.
Still waiting for the devs to reply again. Hopefully might have an E-M diagram soon (with luck).

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