This is the A and C cockpit the C swapped out the light warnings right of the HUD for a RWR
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Wait, the F5G is only going to be 11.0? Are they mad? Should be more like 11.7, on par with the AV-8B(NA) at a minimum
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That’s basically just BR compression in action. The entire F-5 series should span from 10.7/11.0 all the way to 12.0 or 12.3, instead of the 10.7-11.3 we have now, with the harriers being 0.3/0.7 below the where they start in an ideal world/
I’ve played a couple matches in it recently, and I didn’t find it that abysmal. It still sucked facing anything above 11.3, but players are generally oblivious enough that they can’t see a 9L from 3 km away.
I personally don’t like that they are being carried by their missiles, it makes for some unfun gameplay compared to planes that aren’t, or have the opposite issue.
At 11.3 you have the F-5T and F-5E FCU, so it’s not like it can be at that BR too.
FRS1 E isn’t that bad but it’s identical brother (literally same everything - 2 more missiles) is at 11.0 and suffers
Then it needs to be 11.3. might be weaker than those, but will slap the living hell out of most below it. The gap between FRS1 and F5 with 9L is greater than the gap between those F5s
I wonder if it’s magically cold and you have to be like 2km away to get an ir lock.
It will be a C&P of any F-5 in that respect
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How fun.
its rediculous how significant the 2 extremes are in their impact on gameplay and how they exist at the same BR.
The Harriers have an incredibly tough time dealing with any IR missile, where IRL, they should have some of the easiest time in defending against most IR missiles
The F-5s, whilst they shouldnt be “hot” as far as I am aware. They should still be a certain magnitude hotter than a Harrier when sat on full reheat and certainly should be forced to throttle down when defending against an IR missile and yet in game, they are literally colder than aircraft designed to reduce an IR signature whilst sat on full reheat.
And how neither have been addressed yet is baffling. Would have thought they would have developed code necessary to fix both extremes before introducing aircraft with IR Mitigation like the F-117 and not the other way round
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I don’t really understand why Heat seeking missiles where introduced without thinking of a way to directly alter a vehicles heat signature just as you stated. With what I understand about the F-111 is Gaijin just played with some variables to make it have a lower heat output and that was that no serious issue.
Its somewhat puzzling to me as the Harriers seems to remain hot regardless of how fast they are going, and as we know they lose over 50% of their thrust at higher speeds. So should they not be cold when going fast? If the statement of thrust is proportional to IR sig is correct.
Again Gaijin hasn’t even got the basic aircraft model correct (for the Harriers) and I was looking today just out of pettiness to be completely honest.
Yeah, the F-117 just has a 0.5x multiplier or something and yeah, they do, though I dont think its much of an issue for most aircraft, though I do think all ABs need a 1.5-2x multiplier applied to them, make it so that you have to throttle out of AB to defend properly.
But yeah, this code has been LONG over due and its annoying they have yet to apply it elsewhere
Colder yes, but they still have very high thrust regardless of speed, and thrust = heat and so are always hot. The issue is that when you jink to defend, you bleed a lot of speed very quickly, which just makes you even htoter
Yes a rear aspect 9L should not go for 1 flare on a full reheat F-4 phantom. I do feel there is something at play with the devs against the Harrier they can not disregard a report without giving a reason why that is just unfair and unprofessional.
At just over .6 Mach the F-5e starts chucking out more thrust than the Harrier and I still find it hard to lock.
I’ve been killed by IR missiles very near to the same .6 Mach numerous times while flaring.
Just want to point out the laughable fall off in the Harriers acceleration legit accelerates worse than a petty F-5 at just .45 Mach or so.
Nah. its just lazy coding. It avoids having to worry about finding exact figures for exhaust temps. In theory, the more thrust its got, the hotter it should be. A lot of thrust from something on full reheat should be the hottest of them all. In theory, its good a shortcut. But you have the edge cases and its those edge cases where the plan falls apart. Harriers always have a lot of thrust, so are always hot, despite being fairly cold IRL and the F-5 always has less thrust and so is always cold.
Fair enough but Gaijin needs to redo that system soon as planes are becoming more modern and the game is entering a different generation than what is was in 2012.
The Harrier does have incorrect engine temps for different throttle usage so the devs have so nicely proven to me.
They stated that Normal Lift was 100% throttle yet the operating charts say 695 degrees C is the temp for this rating in game you can easily get 730 like this.
I think what happened is I was correct with my original throttle setting calculation of 86% was normal lift dry as both engine RPM and engine temp was perfect to the manual.
However this would have meant the Harrier would need to sustain 13 degrees a second with just 86% throttle and Gaijin didn’t want to fix that.
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Yeah… Between the F-117 code and the directional exhaust code they relatively recently added on Helicopters. I think options now exist. Its whether or not they will use them, or even think to use them for those purposes. Its hard to report unless a tech mod can report it internally more directly. I think Gunjob may have made a suggestion for it, but I dont recall either way, so dont quote me on that.
They need to move water injection from being WEP to being a toggle keybind and then re-adjust the throttle so that WEP is actually the “combat thrust” settings on the harrier. would make a lot more sense in the long run
Absolutely agree with you for water injection. I have noticed that the Harriers fuel weight is a good 800 Lbs more than it should be and could very easily include the weight of the water. Most likely gaijin added the weight of the gun pods to the fuel so that the total loaded weight was that in the manuals.
The Harriers really need an overhaul its really sad to see the UKs last purely indigenous fighter be so lackluster in game. Yet it has a combat record that’s up there with the best gen 4 fighters.
(This means the FA.2 is always carrying around 2 extra ADEN pods lol if I am correct that is)
Apparently it does. According to Flame, the weight of the water is actually modeled and I think it does decrease with use.
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I’m kinda surprised they never got the azimuth display for the RWR
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The All Harrier 1s use the Gr.3 cockpit. - sea Harriers lol they are all identical. Yet I have the cockpit diagrams for the USMC harriers