The thing is, while the gun elevation is an obvious weakness, it doesn’t change that the vehicle can easily shoot down aircraft.
I never liked it much because the guns lacked damage and that you couldn’t target aircraft coming in from above but after the rounds have been changed to realShatter they deal pretty substantional damage now and you have 3 guns. So they probably spit out around 1-1.5 times the damage of a 20mm HE round but at 700 RPM with 200 round belts.
The BTR-152D is 4.0 and doesn’t even have realShatter for the IAI, meaning it deals maybe a quarter of the the structural damage.
I sprayed at the He 111 in test drive and only got hits, only took out the elevator since Gaijin in their wisdom made them super susceptible to AP rounds, probably so that Tier 1 LMG can knock out planes by at least destroying their elevators.
Of course it can elevate much higher but the limiting factor (of the Sd.Kfz 251/21) was alawys the damage.
He’s right, though…
If there’s such a dangerous SPAA around, it should be your primary target. In this particular case, even MGs are good enough to destroy that vehicle so you don’t even need to waste your bombs/rockets. Once it’s done, you can go after tanks freely. If you ignore it, you’ll get shot down. It’s that simple…
Sure it’s a flaw but dealing low damage is also a flaw. So it kinda makes up for that.
Sure when the sky is full of planes you’re going to be in more trouble when planes come in from above but it’s super effective against unaware opponents.
The discussion is of course pointless since the vehicle will go up in BR when the stats show that it’s suddendly too effective for 3.3.
limited elevation is a much bigger flaw in my opinion. Not being able to shoot is much worse than doing a little bit less damage. The damage of heavy mgs on the m16 or btr152d is still enough to kill many planes really fast. the exceptions are stukas, il-2 and some bombers, but fighters die to heavy mgs fast enough if you hit them right. They are great at starting fires which is lethal 80% of the times.
Did you know that there can be several spaas? Then say hello to attacking them all, or killing one spaa and then more will spawn, that’s just idle talk.
You are never the only player in the battle and the rest of these brainless teammates should be doing something too.
What’s the point of killing one if several of them spawn, especially great when you’re attacking a spaa that happens to have spawn protection…
maybe you shouldn’t spawn planes if the enemy team has several spaas? It’s their job to shoot down planes!? Or do you just wanna bomb without a counter?
If the enemy team has 4 spaas these players are more or less useless against other tanks. Should be an easy win. You are not obligated to spawn planes, you know?
How do you know when you are on the ground whether your opponent has 1 spaa or 10 spaas? explain this to me? or maybe you play with cheats or play arcade so you know it…
The best thing is that most of the people defending this sdkfz are German players xD What a coincidence. Well, I understand, you have to defend your favorite nation.
Nothing, everyone can say something about vehicles of all nations, but when it comes to German ones, it’s mainly the Germans who start fighting for their vehicles xD
I play all nations at mostly WW2 level.The main issue we have in War Thunder is CAS and it is nice (and rare) to have good SPAA where you can actually see the enemy.
I love it and wish we had more effective SPAA. As other people said, The half track does not get used to attack ground vehicles unlike the French DCA so it does not get uptierd into uselessness.,which is good because raising the DCA did nothing for the game overall.
You just sound like you got shot down and jumped on to vent.
Few know this but the 251/21 has a max elevation of only 50deg or so. Flying above it makes you entirely invulnerable to it, which is something you can’t do against pretty much any other SPAA.
CAS a problem? I guess it’s only when you play Germany, when playing with other nations it’s not a special or big problem, it’s just part of the game. CAS is a problem mainly when you play Germany, in most cases German players don’t know what a plane is or they fly straight into the ground. I recently played with the Germans on 6.7 and saw what these teams look like.
It’s just that players of all nations take planes and use them in battles, while German players do not.