Gripen airframe is really not that close to Mirage2000. If we are going to eyeball it that hard I can say that the Gripen’s wing and top of the fuselage look similar to the F-16 and am not surprised it can rate despite being a “delta.”
Speaking seriously, F-5 vs MiG-21 is basically a case study on TWR meaning jack for rate fights if there is a large enough gap in weight and aerodynamics. Even Soviet engineers IRL were flabbergasted when they got their hands on an F-5 and it completely clapped both the fishbeds and the floggers in tests, despite its pathetic thrust.
Gripen behaves similarly in-game to the F-5 in that regard. Hard data for all these later gen.4 aircraft is so unreliable that we’ll have to settle for the Gripen being more or less accurate as a high performance rat plane, like the F-5.
It’s simple they both unstable. So centre of gravity is behind centre of lift. You don’t get more sustained deg/s by move centre of gravity more and more ahead of centre lift.
@Firestarter
Gonna post some examples of 2 missile min fuel rates as of 0.25 rating in their slowest speed since that’s the fastest to test.
JAS-39C: 23.5dps.
Mirage 2k: 20dps.
F-16A MLU: 18.8dps.
JH-7A: 18.6dps.
F-16AJ: 19.8dps.
F-15J: 19.6dps.
Su-27: 16.7dps.
Mig-29 9.12: 19.5dps.
F-16C: 19.1dps.
F-14B: 19.9dps.
F-15A: 20.5dps.
theyre both light delta canards the primary difference is the gull intake and cranked delta of the Lavi but the lavi has a higher TWR, I dont think the gripen would have a magically significantly better rate, also the south african rate figures for what should be the same conditions are pretty well aligned
Something about sales and being “older” than SAAF even getting the gripen or proper hard numbers of it. 12°s is worse than phantom by 2,5° btw, if thats ground level rate. Which is, BS.
Gripen, M2K all make sense to me. F-15 also kinda does if we use the fact the thing has a bit of a bonkers TWR.
Again i’m not best placed to make use of such info but most of it aligns with what would make sense irl. The flanker is a bit more of a bus than i’d expect i will admit.
Not to mention that doc provides 0 info on how they reached 12 deg/s. No weight no loadout no altitude. Just look at the “Mach 1.4 MAX MACH in combat config” above it. That data is not useful at all
I’m not arguing anything with the data i provided. I’m just providing data for people to compare for whatever they want to do in War Thunder.
Without someone to tell us what the test parameters of Gripen was in a real life test, and the real-life results of that test, I cannot copy that loadout until that example exists.
