SAAF JAS-39C Technical Data and Discussion

pictuers.
lots of them.

here’s one

and another

maybe this one too

shouldn’t take a physicist to figure out which way the flares would be flying if they’re facing up/down

also videos:

JAS 39 Gripen Low and Fast Dropping Flares [4K] (youtube.com)

JAS 39 Gripen High Speed Pass and Launching Flares [4K] (youtube.com)
same aircraft going the opposite direction

JAS 39 Gripen Inverted Releasing Flares [4K] - YouTube
same aircraft and inverted (dowards facing flares)

Gripen C Flares - Kaivari 2021 [4K UHD] (youtube.com)
different demo

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I dont really understand your point.
I said images/videos of it being FIRED forward on ANY plane.

I never stated that it doesn’t fire up/down.
I merely stated that BOP also has the ability to fire forwards.

Can you tell by the pictures alone that the internal BOP isn’t angled forwards? It does not have to be 90° forward, it can just as well be at an angle.

And as previously stated, since the pilot can choose which way to fire flares, showing videos of it firing up and down does not exclude forwards.

Secondly, I asked separately about the ESTL pod BOP firing direction, not the internal BOP.

Well I can see the orientation of the dispensers on the Gripen from photos.

The BOL-500/700 and CRL all fire rearward.
BOP-G on the fuselage are mounted facing up and down.
BOL739/2 on the outboard pylons are rear firing.
The ESTL is mounted like a missile on either the wing tips or LAU-7 rails. The tip doesn’t have a dispenser visible. It has a downward firing BOP-G dispenser and a rear firing BOL rail. So nothing forward firing there.

Nothing stopping someone building these into an airframe to fire forward. I suspect when they say its forward firing they likely mean it has the pressure needed to fire the flare/chaff out into the airstream. Rather than they all fire forward.

Forward firing countermeasures are very effective. The issue is with fixed wing especially, you fly into your own countermeasures. Sucking flare or chaff into your engine is less than ideal.

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okay :)
on the ESTL at least, BOP can be seen angled forward and down at a around 45 degree angle compared to nose. i don’t know if it has to be 100% straight forward for it to be called forward firing but i would personally argue that 45 degrees (or there around) is at least not down.

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Okay so forwardish but away from the airframe.

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It’s such a sexy plane!

Well… This clip sums up why im not having that much fun in the Gripen C at the moment. The radar just puts me off. Its a real shame:

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you manually select targets with radar wow you love everything sim

I swapped because I was getting annoyed that TWS would perhaps fixate on a target to the extreme left or right and I had no way of getting it to swap to a target it could see outside of its FOV. There are times when I want to just lock it looking in one direction

But having a HOTAS with a free control from my left thumb on my throttle does help too

You mean the target cycling turned off?

yeah that’s what he doing manually scrolling on the radar

Im doing that since i can remember tbh. I was annoyed the radar was jumping not on what i wanted so i switched it and now i cant use cycling. Manual sellection and antenna elevation are now natural for me.

i hate the cycle in close range so i use the bvr mode or hmd depending on the plane

You just need a lot more radar control options (yes we need more)

  • The ability to toggle the radar following the target left and right (so when disabled, even with cyclic target selection, it wouldnt move the radar unless turned on)
  • The ability to toggle on and off relative vertical control
  • The ability to always be able to control the vertical angle of the radar (look down and look up could be sooooo much better)
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I would too, but I need the IFF

I also do so in a headons or situation i know it will lock what i want, in all other i do a manula lock

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Yep, I want more :P

Then wait for EF, where CAPTOR and PIRATE are independent, so you can use both at the same time

it will need a control remapping session, but I can handle it on my HOTAS :P