RWR: New mechanism of RWR is not realistic :(

Hello everyone! Happy anniversary!!

I believe everyone has heard about the plans for a major update to the RWR of all modern aviation in War Thunder to make them “more realistic.” Changes below

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1gd9ky4/2390103_240030_20241025_part_5/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1gdbmma/2390103_240030_20241025_part_6/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1gdd2xh/2390103_240030_20241025_part_7/

Many will notice that after the update, NATO RWRs will collectively become obsolete, which means if you’re flying a top-tier jet that was released early, even though it has a very good all-aspect modern RWR, question marks will fill every corner of your RWR screen. At this point, I can’t help but wonder: is this what happens on the real battlefield today?

Let’s reach a quick conclusion: No!

To clarify this issue, we first need a general understanding of how RWRs work (not a highly technical explanation): simply put, there are some broad-band carrier wave receivers on the outside of the aircraft. When enemy radars operate, their radar waves will be received by the aircraft’s carrier wave receivers. These receivers scan the spectrum broadly to capture signals that may come from different types of radars. They are typically broadband and can simultaneously cover multiple frequency bands while working in a fast scanning mode to ensure that no threat signals are missed. They also detect signal characteristics such as Pulse Repetition Frequency (PRF), pulse width, etc., and record these parameters. These parameters are sent to the onboard computer’s database for comparison, and the results are displayed on your RWR screen, allowing you to know the source and type of threat. Most importantly,

It is incorrect to say that the RWR is too outdated because the problem lies in the database loaded on aircraft. However, the database on aircraft can be updated at any time, unless the hardware itself can no longer support the recognition of more complex radar waves.

Since the RWR is designed to broadly scan and capture radar signals, there is no possibility that it cannot capture signals from new aircraft (the new mechanism also shows that your aircraft will capture the opponent’s radar waves but displays them as question marks). Therefore, the problem lies in the database. Gaijin has stated that older RWR models cannot recognize the radar signals of new aircraft, but the hardware of the RWR itself does not have an “old” or “young” distinction, as engineers have designed redundancies at the hardware level. Updating the database in our onboard computer is one of the most important tasks that ground crew must take responsibility for.

Let’s take the F-16C Block 50 as an example. It was introduced in 1991 and is equipped with the AN/ALR-56M RWR, which is specifically designed for platforms like the F-16 and A-10 to detect, identify, and locate enemy radar signals. Since its introduction, the AN/ALR-56M has undergone multiple software upgrades to enhance its threat recognition and anti-jamming capabilities. Most of these upgrades are software updates, routine upgrades performed by ground crew on the aircraft’s onboard computer. Evidence of software upgrades is everywhere, and I don’t feel the need to further prove this fact.

Thus, Gaijin’s proposal for a new mechanism concerning RWR is absurd, because it implies that since the aircraft was manufactured in the 1980s, the ground crew may has not conducted ANY maintenance on the onboard computer (isn’t that funny?).

Finally, let’s imagine a scenario in the future where, after the introduction of fifth-generation aircraft in War Thunder, the F-22 cannot recognize allies F-35… I admit, that’s quite humorous.

Suggestions for Developers:

  1. For some aircraft, please let the Snail ground crew continue to perform software upgrades on the RWR after their introduction into service. The ground crew may need to maintain routine updates of the onboard computers for these older aircraft every time new aircraft are introduced in updates (unless it’s found that the hardware cannot receive such complex or high-power radar signals). P.S.: Pilot: I accept taking off in bad weather, but can you please not have my RWR filled with question marks?

  2. Some older aircraft may not encounter new aircraft before retirement, but their RWR hardware is still excellent. Please continue to maintain these aircraft, as software upgrades can be implemented quickly. This is something the Snail Ground crew must do, as old soldiers do not die; they just get retired.

  3. If some aircraft have RWRs that are too outdated to recognize certain complex radar signals and have no plans for future updates, then these aircraft will be unable to recognize the radar signals of newer aircraft. However, if some aircraft have undergone hardware upgrades that expand their RWR frequency coverage, consider offering RWR Hardware Updates as a tier-four modification for players to research. This way, these old soldiers can continue to fight for their country just like in real life.

Finally, I am struggling to find various details about RWRs, which is quite frustrating. I hope someone can help me. If developers can not see my article, I will consider submitting an issue to them?

Above all, if you have good suggestions, feel free to share :D

I hope War Thunder becomes better, and I hope everyone can enjoy their favorite vehicles in the game!!

Thx for ur support!

131 Likes

Agreed

4 Likes

Thx T-T

1 Like

This whole system I’m my opinion should be implemented only in sim

4 Likes

It could cause a great impact to ground RB and Air RB, so I think it’s time to let people know how it works in reality. :D

5 Likes

agree.very interesting facts

4 Likes

Its almost as if gaijin pulled it out of thier ass or something…

23 Likes

Don’t understand that why they even bother touching thing that perfect on it own and make it become the problem
But the thing that need badly fix they ignore
How this even work?

4 Likes

yeah agreed!

2 Likes

Their idea is that the older plane cant recognize the newer ones according to their production time. They think some 70s plane could recognize the 10s plane is crazy… BUT they dont know that RWR recognization mechanism is more complex. Recognizing target depends on the database loaded on aircraft. So its purely a software issue even could be update to newest one by ground crew. They ignored this and make a simple mechanism by nerfing all OLD planes, even some of them are serving for their country :(

5 Likes

very appreciate

1 Like

Lmao, cant agree more

1 Like

And ill post all changes here

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1gd9ky4/2390103_240030_20241025_part_5/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1gdbmma/2390103_240030_20241025_part_6/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1gdd2xh/2390103_240030_20241025_part_7/

these changes will make a great impact to almost all NATO RWR, but this change is not realistic, i hope these new mechanism will not appear in next update

3 Likes

These ?s is really weird…
I know devs think this will make the game more reliastic but it makes game much hard to play and give Panstir a really huge buff since F-4F KWS LV is the only BLUFOR plane could receive it’s signal. Maybe devs are just forgot this but it make players reminds russian bias…
They really need to find the balance point betwen reliastic and fun.

10 Likes

Maybe they just ignored that RWR and IFF could be update anytime by ground crew

3 Likes

Can you direct me to where they stated that? I’m currently unaware of anything from them aside from Smin stating changes to the Gripen were from some data.

1 Like

If anyone wanna see a better representation of the nerf you can watch this Zenturion7 video

1 Like

Good Job!! really appreciate

That exactly what they should do
Sadly Gaijin are incompetent to think such thing and it getting worse every new update

2 Likes

What they had before was more or less as accurate as we can get without classified documents. The change is not very representative of the function of these systems in reality.

8 Likes