Russian top tier tanks need a fair buff

My playstyle really complements the Abrams playstyle, which is why the SEPv3 has such a decent WR in it.

The T-series, and especially the T-90M, has completely the opposite playstyle of my own so I can’t do any of the things that work for me in game lol.

Give me T14 and object 187, that is all.

It was still causing havoc even at top tier before the changes on last uptade.

Stop underselling a vehicle that was even more broken than PUMA.

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I haven’t played top tier Russia in a hot minute tbf but when last played the T80BVM(and 80Us) was the only thing i really cared to touch MBT wise and looking at the T-90Ms being the obvious idiot traps that they are I suppect that hasnt changed much.

Did you just seriously compare one of most waited addition to the game with T-90M?

Bruh.

Hmm strawmanning by bringing an Abrams into the conversation.

Why am I not surprised.

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than compare it to the M1A2 trophy. Both are just a tank that we already had in game but with an APS.

Yet the trophy also performs considerably better statistically.

Also there is also the reason why people were looking forward to a slightly better Abrams so much compared to a second T-90M.

Sure with your logic lets compare M1A2 to Strv122 and Leopard2A7V and see the results.

Wanna know something? Just because X vehicle performs worse than Y vehicle doesn’t mean its bad, its just Y is a better vehicle thats all.

This is like saying hey my Ferrari Laferrari is better than your Shelby Gt500, no shit it is better but doesn’t mean GT500 is bad.

That is exactly my point. Tanks like the Abrams, Leo 2A7/122 fit the WT gameplay loop much better (some people consider this meta).

As much as I hate to admit it, the T-90M isn’t bad perse. Even though it’s easily one of the worst 12.7 MBTs in game, it’s still usable with enough effort put in.

So just because one thing is better the other one automatically becomes trash? Because thats what that goon trying to say.

No it doesn’t, just because something doesn’t suit your playstyle doesn’t mean its trash.

M900 bias hell yeah

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Tbh the autoloader repair is really fast xd and well, u can repair it wich will take a max of 20 seconds, if your loader get smashed by an apfsds then u will have to go to a base wich is kinda hard to do when almost everyone is positioned or even worse, when your team,mostly US teams left the match after get killed one time mostly because they were wallet warrios with a single tank to use so u end in a 5-6 players against 15-20 xD

6 second reload

Imagine, Chally 2E with mobility doing good lol.

It always get disabled after getting shot literally everywhere.

I have seen too many T-series getting ERAs blown off but it only stop at that

I’ve just found out recently they model the T90 front hull spall liner tank the shot then disappeared → almost feeling like it got second chance.

Speed back in the day was meta when it matter that who get in position or shoot first → but after they gave RU tanks the penetration RNG model, its just one sided game.

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Definitely are.

Being bailed out by RNG once every while doesn’t make a tank good. Survivability onion.png

Maybe you did not consider that the reload on T-90M is atrocious? And you yourself did not do much research either considering that BTA4 on Oplot is even worse. T-90M/VT4/WZ1001 have the worst firepower at top tier regardless.

Mobility + reload + reverse + depression are all factors in positioning/overall meta. T-90M is poor in every single category.

You lack the skill to properly assess these vehicles’ capabilities.

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Thankfully your claim doesn’t mean anything to me.

Well in that case its even worse for many other tanks since most of them doesnt even have ERA to cover their entire side, nor actual spall liners.

So far it doesnt look good for you.

Oh I did, I just don’t use it as an example since T-90M isn’t CQC master, which is something you don’t understand considering how you use BMPT.

Not really, I just didn’t find OPLOT is worthy to mention in from the beginning, didn’t expect you to understand tho.

Firepower and ROF are different things, guess its too hard for you to understand.

If we consider your the meta define, the thing is you have no authority to define what meta is.

Thats rich coming from a person who embrace spesific camping style.

I suggest keep your so called “define” to yourself.

Cool.

You did not understand my point. Don’t get shot, especially in the side. The only area you “should” be getting shot is the turret, and even that should be minimal.

It excels at camping limited specific spots in the back of the map, and thats it. Spoiler alert, that means the tank is bad. Any tank that is restricted to specific playstyles, especially irrelevant ones, isn’t good.

Its 12.3. It is more than worthy of being mentioned in a top tier debate.

You are just being petty at this point to save face.

And how would I be wrong? Go on.

Sure. Whatever makes you feel better.

Sorry, I don’t follow.

Yup.

Ah yes famous onion rule, too bad theory doesn’t always work like that and you will get shot from side from time to time in practice, in those cases T-90M offers one of the best if not the best side protection.

Not really, T-90M can excel in middle range and even in CQC if you know what you’re doing, you just explained that you cannot make the T-90M work which is a perfect example not every tank suits your gameplay style. That doesn’t mean it bad tho.

Last time I checked top tier was 12.7 not 12.3, so no.

Not as desperate as you considering your “defines”.

Truth hurts doesn’t it?

As I expected.

Both are useless mbts, furthermore ugly as f. vt4 has horrible ass gun handling especially when the barrel is in the front hull. It’s also slower than the 12.3 ztz99.