Russian top tier tanks need a fair buff

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1963

Shows your character mate.

Why stop reading cause I’m saying something which goes against your russian bias narative?

I’ve skiffed type 90s with spikes and nuked the whole tank then had direct hits do “hit” spikes are nutoriously buggy. Nothing to do with russian ERA, wHICH BY THE WAY, British ERA stops them just the same.

Becuase I’ve used 8 out of 10 nations in thsi game to top tier over the span over just over 4 thousand hours and know more about the vehciles in question?

The fact is like I said your points about LMUR are fine, the rest about the long 90 struggling at 7.3 is total bollocks and is user error not the game at all.

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1964

It’s not at all lol, mobility and speed are two distinct differnet things.
Russian MBTs have overall worse mobility than NATO MBTs that’s not even a debatable fact.

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1965

Dude’s refusing to read what i said, It’s pointless to continue this discussion I’m just gonna block em man.
Posting your own crap on a forum then refusing to read another persons response, which is actually properly written with coherent counter arguments, just becuase. Is not why I am here.

EDIT; Done.

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1966

You don’t want to see your favorite russian tech tree being nerfed, we understand man.

No need to defend Russia blindly like that. You won’t even admit 1 point against Russia is real, hell you even defended how Spikes perform.

There is no need to argue with you, it’s like talking to a wall.

1967

This is why i’ve stopped giving him any more attention than he deserves. Not worth the time to discuss with given his ignorance.

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1968

You don’t want to admit the russian bias is real while THOSE EXIST :

There is something important you need to understand that is explaining why people are complaining about the russian bias :

  • Spikes/MMPs are broken (gotta love hitting commander MG 2 times in a row, a cannon then 6 ERAs eating the ATGM) ;
  • NATO MBT armors being paper compared to reality and russian MBTs ingame ;
  • NATO MBTs getting nerfed to the ground (turret basket and electronics everywhere now, except the Arietes I think. We’re still waiting for t-series basket, maybe in 8 years we don’t know) ;
  • NATO MBTs not getting their best DART (Leos, Leclercs)
  • T-series model are broken (ERAs and autoloaders eat DARTs ( Russian Bias in 2026? - #1603 by SnuggyNyx , unbelievable), ERAs eat ATGMs, the whole model eat bombs ( Stalinium armor? - #684 by TROOPER7 : what is THIS seriously ??!)
  • LMURs top down approach are correctly modeled, as well as their damage model => AH-64E AGMs are completely BROKEN compared to these, you usually need 2-4 missiles to destroy MBTs/SPAAs/BMPTs
  • BMPTs are broken, no need to develop here
  • Pantsir-S1 currently best SACLOS SPAA in the game (12 ready-to-fire missiles, multi targeting system). Let’s not even talk about the next 12.7 Pantsir, this will end top tier experience pure and simple ;
  • Tiger helicopters still at 12.7, why ? 8 FnF missiles VS 16 for other helis, 7-8 km max range VS 16/25 km max range for other helis, no IRCM, climb slower than other helis, HAC and UHT don’t even have a cannon ;
  • 75% of small maps, advantaging russian MBTs because they rush you in corners
  • To shoot at russian MBTs, gotta go pixelhunting. Urban debris on the ground ? Good luck shooting at LFP. The MBT does zigzags ? Good luck shooting at LFP. The MBT has bushes all over UFP ? Good luck shooting at driver’s port/breach (especially when you have the blur motion on, and that those bushes will “melt” with the tank’s armor in a blurry weird way). You shoot at russian MBTs from far away ? Good luck, gotta go pixel hunting. NATO MBTs in comparaison ? You point, click and shoot. Simple, easy.
  • Russian MBTs don’t need to have the best pen, because NATO MBT armors are paper. They have basically the same speed going forward. They now have basically the same reload speed as well (6.4sec reload = +/- the 6sec reload some NATO MBTs have). They of course have so much armor that even top NATO darts can’t frontaly pen.
  • IFVs : russians have IFVs with much higher fire rate, laser accuracy, 2 cannons (1 main for HE/ATGMs, 1 autocannon), much faster than some wheeled NATO IFVs. NATO IFVs in comparaison ? Bushmaster, completely garbage.
  • Yak-9k, completely broken.
  • Been playing some 7.3 US recently. Noticed something. Russian heavy/medium tanks, and some of their tank destroyer, are almost unpenable, IF YOU PLAY A NATO HEAVY TANK AGAINST THEM. IS-3 ? Gotta go pixel hunting in that turret neck. IS-4M ? Same, but the spot is even tinier (gotta love bouncing on its side with a 224mm pen shell too). T-10M ? Don’t even think you can pen that. Object 268 ? Gotta go pixel hunting in that driver’s port. T-54/55 ? Gotta go pixel hunting in that tiny cupola, berely visible). Hell, even some of their T-34/44 will bounce if their turret is angled weirdly. NATO heavy/medium tanks in comparaison ? Multiple weakspots, side will not bounce against a shell (even against russian SPAAs lmao), if you turn your turret a little bit, you’re done.
  • T-series MBTs have IRST + HE + Proxy HE + ATGM shells. Some NATO MBTs don’t even have any of that.
  • Sweedish IFVs still don’t have IRST

So many more things could be said. NATO SPAAs don’t have cannons. Russia has literally 10 MBTS/IFVs they can use at top tier, worning out NATO forces because they don’t have as many => which leads to constant losses against Russia at top tier GRB. Russia has that 1 ship that doesn’t even exist. KH 38s don’t exist too as well. In the main trailer, it’s the russian MBT that wins against the Abrams. When the AH-64 launches missiles against the russian MBT, we can’t see if the tank exploded or not, because they cut the scene. A lot, lot more.

It’s all of these problems that lead NATO to constantly loose against Russia, especially at top tier. They’re just more advantaged than the rest of the nations. The bias is real, it’s not paranoia man.

It is not coping, it’s just the plain truth, and every russian main knows it. They know they play the game in tutorial mode compared to others.

You just don’t want to say a single thing bad against Russia man

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1969

Here I go defending USA and NATO again.

1- That would be all F&F missiles, not just Spikes.
2- Didn’t know Abrams, Leopard 2s, Strv 122s, VT-4 [if you’re going to count T-80BVM], etc weren’t armored… Oh wait, they are.
3- This was voted on and demanded by the community. Also this implies Soviet tanks are NATO… T-series and Challenger tanks don’t have baskets IRL BTW. Baskets also shouldn’t prevent manual traverse at minimum.
4- Leopard 2s are firing the 2nd best MBT dart in the game.
5- ERA does not eat darts.
The round penetrated in your example.
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All tanks eat bombs to an extent. Unless you’re claiming all 10 tech trees are Russia.
6- I’ve yet to see anyone post evidence LMUR’s guidance path is correct.
7- Uhuh…
8- Best SACLOS SPAA overall is probably HQ17 mixing good range with high maneuverability.
9- So Tiger helicopters being a lower BR is evidence of what exactly? Are you claiming German bias now?
10- Most top BR maps in the game are large.
Smaller maps benefit higher mobility tanks and harm tanks with low mobility and too much reliance on frontal armor. T-series tanks get harmed the most on close quarters maps due to not being able to utilize front hull armor as well as medium to long ranges.
Meanwhile Ariete doesn’t have any negatives going up close because its armor is bad regardless of range.
11- To shoot T-80BVM I shoot their idler wheel/side armor on CQC maps, and turret at longer ranges.
T-90M I shoot their breech on longer ranges maps, and their idler wheel/side armor on CQC maps.
I’ve been doing this tactic against T-series tanks since 2019.
12- Refer to point 2.
13- The best Soviet IFV is BMP-2M currently… it’s not the best overall. It’s good, not the best. None have more than 1 cannon.
14- Okay there buddy…
15- Yeah? T32E1 is even more unpennable than IS-3 from the front. Welcome to heavy tanks.
16- Admitting that NATO MBTs have this ruins your argument.
17- Correct, Saab didn’t install IRST onto IFVs [at least the older ones]. Not sure what that has to do with this though…

Edit:
By the by, out of all of these statements the only ones that are my takes are the following:
Being reliant on armor over not being hit by a round in the first place is the opposite of what you should do.
I don’t know the accuracy of LMUR’s trajectory in War Thunder compared to real life.
I called for Tiger helicopters to be a lower BR than AH-64s and Mi-28NMs and am glad that occurred.
A 2x2km map is not small…

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1970

I agree with most bar this

Pantsir easily takes the best SACLOS SPAA slot, with the closest example being ITO and then ADATS?

1971

ITO and ADATS for maneuvering.
HQ17 still has notably higher agility over Pantsir’s missile while having a 15km range.
And Pantsir is only meta against helicopters, while the other 4 are as well [ADATS less so due to 10km limitation, but so far helicopter CAS users aren’t exploiting that limitation], while also pressuring close range CAS [fixed wing] better than Pantsir can due to the higher agility missiles.
If Pantsir is good against fixed-wing, the other 4 are good to great.
Of course, none of them can do as much damage as the 12.7 SPAA.

1972

HQ17 lacks guns or the missile count of Pantsir, which makes Pantsir superior. Bar Helis, SACLOS AA usually intercepts aircraft’s munitions, rather than outright killing them.

1973

You’re like the other guy, you’re defending Russia on principle. You’re coping on every single answer, there is no point even arguing further with you.

For example :

1 - I’m saying Spikes/MMPs are broken, you’re saying “no it’s all F&F missiles that are broken”, just to contradict me (and maybe puting LMURs in the list too, so you can, again, defend Russia ? Even though everybody know LMURs are completely op)
2 - answering like you don’t get my point
4 - answering while avoiding the fact I said NATO have the best DARTs ingame but still don’t pen t-series frontally because they have too much armor in comparaison (so it doesn’t mater. Give them 5000mm pen, they’ll figure out a way to invent a brand new t-serie having enough armor to bounce that)
5 - Answering like you didn’t read that reply next :

Got the exact same shot yesterday.

Leclerc SXXI, I shot at the front side of a T-series. I saw 6-8 ERAs disappearing into Oblivion, and the DART literally being eaten. No pen at all.

Blatant bias, that’s what it is.

EDIT : somehow, the autoloader full of ammo doesn’t blow up. As usual.

Also, answering like nobody ever complained about ERAs eating DARTs (maybe I’m the only one “coping” and making stuff up now). Also, answering without answering about the russian autoloaders eating DARTs instead of exploading

6 - Bro almost gonna say LMURs are bad and need to get buffed
7 - Can’t even say BMPT are too op and broke top tier
8 - Can’t even say it’s chinese thus an eastern vehicle, thus my statement “They advantage russian and eastern vehicles in general”. Can’t even say it’s also more or less the same than Tor-M1, which is russian. You’re just trying to contradict me, just to contradict me and defend Russia man.
9 - Answering like you didn’t get my point, which is that -0.3 in BR is absolutely ridiculous compared to how bad tiger helicopters are compared to others
10 - are we playng the same game ? Play 100 games and tell me how many close range maps you got please.

And so on and on and on… you’re just trying to defend Russia man, there is no point arguing with you ?

I’ll say BMPT is op, you’ll say “yeah but they “”“nerfed””" it a little bit, so you’re wrong". Pointless argument, I’m afraid

EDIT : oh and : 13 -

None have more than 1 cannon.

Wtf ? BMD-4M2, BMD-4M, BMD-4 ? What are you on about ?

Now you’re lying, it shows how important it is for you to defend Russia at all costs, incredible

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1974

@SadRIPer
So you refuse to converse with everyone that defends USA and NATO, got it.

The maps I get is irrelevant. All that matters is what’s available.

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1975

I don’t think you’re defending NATO, unless I’m blind

The maps I get is irrelevant. All that matters is what’s available.

I challenge anyone to show me 100 top tier games with majority of long range maps.

1976

That’s it NERF NATO and RU to the ground… now its just the matter at who shoot first to get a kill lol

1977

It should be like that at all BRs. Or at least, the weakspots and plus and minus should be equal and balanced in both sides.

This is not the case, Russia has a clear advantage throughout the BRs.

1978

Dont bother with alvis, the man stops speaking english the moment you start stating facts. Hell gas light you about russia and then suddenly says hes backing nato. Literally all he does lol, i think he just finds it fun to do tbh.

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1979

Damn, I got ragebaited

1980

We would. Plenty of people still prefer blaming their skill issues on external factors, because they can’t accept that they aren’t good at the game.

Take the T-90M, it’s mid at best but lower skill players keep talking about it like this strong and hyper competitive MBT.

You could nerf Russian MBTs hard in every aspect besides armor but people will still complain.

Ironically I have to tryhard more in my top tier Russian MBTs than in my NATO MBTs.

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1981

So TL;DR:

You deny NATO advantages because you keep skill issueing.

I’m still waiting for you to get that 2 K/D on the Leclerc, you consider yourself a good player so that should be easily done.

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1982

How about we both equally kill/disable each other at the first shot ehh? probably not cuz that RNG sweet spot

I was once disable a T90M then make an autopsy while it was alive…4 shots to the neck/ring with a chained net disappeared into nothing. Anyway. the tank it self is slow however slow doesn’t mean it not good. You only said its bad bc it was not meant to zoom around like the T80s