The IRIS T has been the most dominant SPAA the game has ever seen…
They reverted the last missile nerfs to IRIS T?
Jesus I’ve had one shoot me down on the runway a few weeks ago😂😂 the IR missile kept tracking me for 6km after i dodged 2 and then landed and hit me on the runway.
So yeah nah, germany aint suffering spaa wise, or mbt wise.
You forget the MiG 29 didnt face the F-15 it faced an F-16A with 7M
Not a single player would ever take an 7M over an 27ER
You then have other nations stuck using Phantoms or ADV Tornadoes.
Just some context.
It faced the F16A which has no radar missiles.
best fm in the game once 9g limit was removed.
had 6 x 9L which were potent for the time.
more ammo
better gun
smaller and ofc was far easier to fly.
The mig29 in way was equal to the F16A it was worse again ij almost every way bar the 2 r27ERs…
, a caveat when multipathing was so high they’d just slam into the ground.
If you wouldn’t take an F15A with 4 X 7M over a worse mig29 with 2 X r27er then you’re just silly.
Su27 kept up becuase it had what, 8 ER? Or 6 and 2 R73s something like that.
First top tier plane for me was the FGR2 mate before the tornado F3 was added.
I fought mig 29s and F16s with it, and ill tell you, F16 was untouchable, completely.
Fun fact i have every plane im talking about bar su27 and ive nearly unlocked that.
Not mach 3…
“IIR” seeker neutered to be blinded by LDIRCM
Extremely wrong LOFT profile
Wrong G limit…
They only reverted the one they “claimed” was done to improve the missile’s resistance to LDIRCM, and all it did was nerf it further lol, they reverted an obvious artificial nerf, but left all the others in ))
Yeah please repost this as it’s own post
But hey, now we’re getting a rusian missile that’s mach 4,956268 and can pull 75g’s, It’s obviously truth and everything, because you know, marketing lies are purely westerner’s thing
Iron Dome was passed to devs. They are just powercreeping the hell out of the game like they did with M1, 2A5, 2A6’s DM53. We’re entering a new generation of SPAA’s and CAS munitions likely.
Ragebait, right?
Su-27 has more missiles, better missiles, better FM for mostly everything and HMD, while F-15A has no HMD, 4 SARH only missiles stuck at Mach 4 like a Fox-3, 4 AIM-9Ms which are ez to dodge (literally just barrel roll them while flaring and problem solved), a good radar paired with, as i said, bad SARH only missiles, and a FM which the only thing it knows how to do is accelerate.
If u knew how to play the F-15A at 13.0, ok, it was good, but it truly wasn’t at the height of the Su-27.
I would even say, ignoring the fact that all 13.3 aircraft have Fox-3s, the Su-27 could be competitive at 13.3 if there was less AIM-120 and R-77 spam at that BR.
No! 😤 No! 😤 It’s not marketing lies, it’s all true! ☝️🤓 Only mother Russia can make good military weapons! 😡 Western weapons are just made up! 😠
Now excuse me while I go destroy 40 games in a row with very real Kh-38MTs and LMURs that did not get special care and go complain on forum ”Russia toptier needs a buff“.
Where is the four Horsemen of “RU Tanks sucks” ???
Go stat padding this dude then tell him to shut up.
“He doesn’t know how bad the RU tanks is”
“LEOPARDS and ABRAMS are the only OP tanks of the TOP TIER BR.”
Su 27 when it released had
Worse FM by a long, long shot.
Substantially less counter measures
worse gun
worse radar
Sure it had HMD but the F15A still absolutely dogged it.
The R27ERs were made relatively obsolete by the height of multipathing back then.
The AIM7Ms are not bad at all, mach4 is still extremely fast only beaten by the R27ER and aspide, which sucks.
The R27ER are also SARH only? What are you on about lol, they have IOG sure but that does not mean the same as ARH.
Again but, multipath then made them mostly obsolete.
1 im talking about the F15 when it first released, it got a free pass to stay a BR step lower than its contemporaries even when it was better than most.
my KD is still maintained at about 1.0 for ARB with the F15A , i also used it as cas for a long time as i absolutely love how it flies.
it was fine at 13.0, it has enough counter measures to sustain itself, is it fun? No nothing without ARH missiles is fun when uptiered into them.
the mig29 is worse than the 15A in every way bar the 2 R27ERs and even then id still rather 4 X aim7M with a better radar.
The F15A is literally competitive in every scenario the su27 is.
The what? Lol russian mbts bar the T80BVM before aren’t great at all.
Large Caliber countermeasures has 5 more times effectiveness compare to regular ones, especially Chaff.
Gun itself has better damage output, it only has much less ammunition capacity.
It has TWS modes which greatly increases your awareness, tho in other parts Eagle’s radar better.
People loves to bring this as an excuse but that’s not true, even when multipath height was higher it was the most effective SARH out there.
They are trash compared to 27ER.
Which doesn’t reach that speed unless you fire at high alt.
It also pulls significantly harder than Sparrows which makes them almost impossible to dodge, not to mention IOG makes huge difference when it comes to tracking and you can basically unlock the missile and keep guiding it until terminal phase then lock onto enemy plane and surprise it.
ITs basically first gen ARH missile in that case.
Worse velocity as well as ammo count.
Id rather 500 tounds of 20mm vulcan than what 150 of 30mm.
Be that as it may, due to how warthunder works even regular CM over perfrom massively meaning the fact the F15A has what 240 is it? 120 each compared to su27s mediocre 60 or 90 is a huge difference, even if the large ones are more effective.
The sheer volume the 15A has gives it the advantage.
Im.sorry but the TWS modes are effectively useless as they used to give off bad readings, not sure about now.
The radar by all accounts is a detriment.
Most effective of a useless missile is still a useless missile.
The R73s were the advantage due tk the HMD and the thrust vectoring.
However they had tbeir own issues due to spinning out when the platform was too slow.
Trash? No.
They are worse sure that’s irrefutable but they are not trash at all.
4x Aim7M is still great to have.
I have no idea what you’re quoting here it’s showing my entire message.
On mobile so maybe why.
Im.sorry what ? You can notch the R27ER extremely easily and always have been able to.
Again no ones disputing if the R27ER is better than the 7M at any point.
Just the gaps no where near as large as was made out.
Not by any means is it a first gen ARH.
First gen arh is pheonix.
It has to be active radar homing to be classified as ARH lol.
It’s an IOG designed missile same as the damn 7P.
You and H_ngma can talk once you’ve played them.
Tired of what.
The T80 U is at 11.7 where it needed a reload buff to be competitive, it’s up against the likes of thr M1A1 which rofl stomps it easily.
Providing its two equally skilled players.
The T80B had for hears a 7.1 second reload while.most 10.7 nato.MBTS had 6 or 6.4 expert.
Had comparable mobility but it’s armour even for a T80 wasn’t great.
The T80UD was as Ive said under BRd that i won’t debate.
Then ofc the BVM which has a near 1.4 second slower reload than most top tier mbts aced reloads and 1.1 seconds slower reload compared to expert.
As well as most top tier nations having acxess to dm53 the armours no where near as effective.
T72s suck tbh
This is speaking from having literally all tbe russian MBTs and choosing chinese over them
It doesnt.
You need to deploy 3 chaff in order to defeat regular ARH missiles while single large caliber can effectively confuse seeker with one deploy.
So in practice F-15 only has 40 deploy.
HDN mode works pretty fine and regular mode works quite consistent at 25km.
In that case sparrow becomes even more useless, your logic doesn’t make sense.
The are objectively trash compare to 2ER, trying to praise Sparrow isn’t gonna change its nature.
The only sparrow that can be called decent is the 7P due to having IOG just like 27ER.
Was talking about Sparrows speed, it can only reach Mach-4 at high alt and at certain scenarios.
Did I say notching? I clearly stated that 27ER pulls much harder than Sparrows which makes it much deadlier especially in close to medium range and even if you managed to notch flanker can always lock you back and use IOG advantage to kill you.
It is, just because you refuse to believe it doesnt mean its false.
27ER is so good in terms kinematic and seeker performance it can basically challenge first gen ARH missiles in BVR.
Seems like you didn’t understood the reference.
Welp.
Thats like saying an axe is a shovel because you can dig with an axe in theory.
1 no you do not at all, you can do it notching and ping one.
2 have you completely ignored my point of talking that it’s when the F15A released, not now.
I am not talking VS ARH missiles.
3 I have used the F15A at top tier and it has more than enough pops at top tier SU27s I’ve seen run out countless times.
The TWS used to give off bad readings, again my entire point is based off of back when these planes were introduced and got preferential treatments not now.
Well now again as the F15A is gonna be the same BR as the objectively worse mig29
the original point being that four aim7ms are better than 2 x r27ers on the mig29 my point about su27 was that it was literally carried by the missile loadout, more so the R73s than 27ERs but they were definitely better than the aim7m when on the su27.
The original comparison which you seem to have missed is that the F15A is now again being put to the same BR as a plane which is objectively worse purely due to players not know how to fly it.
im sorry the 7P is not just decent, it is a fantastic missile it’s litteraly the 2nd best SARH in game followed by the 7M then the 27R
rodger that, the R27ER however -.- has had a report open on it’s speed being too high for a while.
I understand the reference you tried to make, however as I said it wasn’t and isn’t an early type of ARH due to when the damn R27ER went into service lol in the 1990s compared ot the first ARH being 1974
exactly my point xD it’s a silly comparison which has no relevance to how either the IOG system functions NOR the ARH system functions as they’re distinct of one another.