Really? top tier not op?
best saclos spaa to make an iron dome meta
best anti tank guided air launched missile
and very good tank
and best helicopter atgm missile with helicopter irccm .-.-.-.-.- like dude…
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Do you mean the worst top tier tank there is or the 10.7 tank with new ERA + thermals + shell + engine?
Obviously, what you are describing is the Leopard 2A7V
Have you ever played those “very good tanks”?
I have (80BVM). It’s actual w+m1 gameplay and honestly mind-numbing.
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Exactly.
You try to W+M1 gameplay with a NATO MBT, you get instantly vanished.
Playing Russia = playing in TUTORIAL mode.
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Adds a lot that there’s often no air threat because of vastly superior SPAA so I don’t have to worry about being in the open… And actual side armour.
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What’s wrong with pointing out that Russian tanks most definitely aren’t good
That they are good per many people who use them and when people claim they’re not it’s often quite telling of the player.
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I have the BVM and 90M, they suck
I also have the BVM, and no it doesn’t. As I said, telling of the player.
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Because they just aren’t that good.
Only bots like you that can barely play the game struggle against them.
Might have missed that memo, since I do plenty of cqb in NATO MBTs and mostly farm T-series all day.
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I could say the exact same about the people who claim to struggle playing them.
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It is w gameplay as long as you face dumb opponents. There are plenty of those but you will be quickly neutralized if you face competent player who knows easy way to deal with t series and other tanks.
Besides that bvm loses to nato tanks in many aspects. Especially 2a7/122s, those are miles away from it. Abrams is also better in almost every single way. Same goes for leclercs and type10s. The only problem of those last three is that they require utilizing brain to use them at full extent due to bigger weakspots and inability to just mindlessly hold w. In this aspect soviets seem better but again - once you face enemy with module called “brain” they will quickly end your rush.
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I don’t struggle in them, I just hate playing them.
I can do everything a T-series can in my Abrams/Merkava/Leclerc/Leo 2 and much much more. The T-series are just so damn limiting to play, I hate how limiting the T-90M is especially.
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You’re working on the assumption the enemy is skilled, to counter a skilless tactic. A good player playing the 80BVM can be just as if not effective (seriously, try fighting one of those things hulldown at a distance. Especially if they shift around a lot.)
Drop any arguments of “well if you were better…”, that’s irrelevant to the vehicle’s performance. I can just as easily claim the 2A7 is bad because some moron of a player could drive it full speed into the open and die, except the players who do well don’t do that. None of this is to say I don’t do fine against T-80s (They are often perfectly okay to fight) but I can recognise that those players are using the vehicle idiotically, and that is why they lost the fight. Often if the 80BVM player even slightly tries instead of rushing into the open as they so often do, they automatically win the fight.
On an objective scale, the 80BVM is superior because it is effective when applying absolutely zero effort into the game, and only becomes more effective as you actually try, whereas western vehicles bar 2A7/122B need a baseline skill level to be effective, and lag behind across that entire curve as a result.
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Same view, different reasons. I find the 80BVM’s mindless gameplay drags the skill out of the game and I don’t get any reward if i’m not trying.
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The T-80BVM is one of the easiest tanks at top tier to kill hull down lmao, only the Leclercs and Arietes beat it for that title.
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Challenger forgotten as always lol
Also turret ring the abrams and it shatters like glass
again, everything bar the 2A7/122B…
