Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

[Jεcka]

@IHаteCAS

Is it? Is there a source, I like to save these. Current L/55 DM53 already has 700mm of LOS penetration @2 km.

The blueprint that I own… yes

Rheinmetall in the very same documents claims confirmed perforation of 630mm RHAe at 2km’s AT 0 DEGREES when fired from the L/44 barrel. Currently, the DM53 doesn’t match this performance even out of the L/55.

Touched on this with PSO but I guess this can also work. Though I don’t think Germany should get more than 2 uparmored Leos.

It has an add-on for the upper plate, not the glacis, i.e where it can already ricochet APFSDS, but the add-on would give it some CE protection in that section so make it a little bit harder for HEAT to perforate.

Leopard 2A6A3: "I'm the upgrade"

poll To get quickly to the point, this suggestion is a proposal for adding the recently revealed A3 upgrade for the Leopard 2A6, but as a modification to the already in-game Leopard 2A6. [image] Even before the politically initiated upgrade leading to the 2A7V, a programme to eliminate obsolescence and weak points on the Leopard 2 fleet was initiated in order to ensure its usability and supply, i.e., operational readiness, in the future. The first approach was to introduce modifications of the…

Plug in.

Not quite. Most of these are rather insignificant changes that only change its performance in a very niche scenario. The UFP is already at the critical ricochet angle for APFSDS and needs to angled down significantly for something to pen it.

Thing is, as of now, the Leopard 2A7V is less armored than the pre-prototype that lead to the creation of the Leopard 2A5(!), what I’m suggesting are both performance AND historical/realistic buffs to both the armor, and the model, as the model does have inaccuracies that are so glarring, that my friend’s self-made 3D model is actually superior to Gaijin’s, and he’s worked on it for only +/- 2 weeks in his spare time between college classes…

The trunnion/barrel tho, yes, I agree.

I think the PSO deserves its extra hull armor.

Thing is, the PSO never had it. It could mount it, but it never has.

2A5/6/PSO still remain quite good

I agree, but the performance drop off compared to the 2A7V is great enough, that many times I just jump straight into the SLM instead.

That’s how I managed to kill you in your F-16 a few days ago in a match :P

[diverzant]

@Jεcka

The blueprint that I own… yes

Mind sharing that one perhaps?

[AspectOfTheRAGE]

@Jεcka

Thing is, the PSO never had it. It could mount it, but it never has.

I think he means the extra composite screen that e.g. Strv 122’s get, which was actually on PSO, just a different version;
PSO-VT (2009)

Ingame PSO version is from Eurosatory 2006 / ILÜ 2007

(Eurosatory '06)

(ILÜ '07)

(sole difference between the one at Eurosatory '06 and ILÜ '07 is the RCWS afaik)

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good looking leo.

[IHаteCAS]

@Jεcka

The blueprint that I own… yes

Rheinmetall in the very same documents claims confirmed perforation of 630mm RHAe at 2km’s AT 0 DEGREES when fired from the L/44 barrel. Currently, the DM53 doesn’t match this performance even out of the L/55.

Mind sharing it? If its not classified ofc.

@Jεcka

Thing is, as of now, the Leopard 2A7V is less armored than the pre-prototype that lead to the creation of the Leopard 2A5(!), what I’m suggesting are both performance AND historical/realistic buffs to both the armor, and the model, as the model does have inaccuracies that are so glarring, that my friend’s self-made 3D model is actually superior to Gaijin’s, and he’s worked on it for only +/- 2 weeks in his spare time between college classes…

I could see and probably wouldn’t mind these buffs, as it really wouldn’t change much of anything as to how 2A7 performs/plays. But I doubt this would shine the FOTM spotlight on Germany again. It would have to come with some other vehicles as well.

@Jεcka

I agree, but the performance drop off compared to the 2A7V is great enough, that many times I just jump straight into the SLM instead.

The PSO AspectOfTheRAGE showed or that 2A6 could mitigate this problem.

@Jεcka

That’s how I managed to kill you in your F-16 a few days ago in a match :P

hahahaha yes I remember

[Jεcka]

@AspectOfTheRAGE

I think he means the extra composite screen that e.g. Strv 122’s get, which was actually on PSO, just a different version;

Gaijin would never.

[Jεcka]

@IHаteCAS

Mind sharing it? If its not classified ofc.

Just like I told the tech-mod Ralin, no, as it is a literal blueprint of the DM53/63, and it shows the actual construction of the penetrator.

You’ll have to unfortunately take my word for this, but it is a 682x22.5’ish penetrator with a density of over 18.500g/cc, you can plop these into the L-O calculator and see for yourself the performance it would have if fixed.

The PSO AspectOfTheRAGE showed or that 2A6 could mitigate this problem.

I genuinely doubt Gaijin would give our in-game PSO the add-on based on the PSO-VT. There’s more hope for them at least adding one of Bundesewhr’s 2A6 variants with 3rd gen thermals before 2027 than that.

[IHаteCAS]

@Jεcka

Just like I told the tech-mod Ralin, no, as it is a literal blueprint of the DM53/63, and it shows the actual construction of the penetrator.

You’ll have to unfortunately take my word for this, but it is a 682x22.5’ish penetrator with a density of over 18.500g/cc, you can plop these into the L-O calculator and see for yourself the performance it would have if fixed.

Well then we can’t really expect Gaijin to change it then. Fortunately DM53 is not exactly a shell that suffers.

@Jεcka

I genuinely doubt Gaijin would give our in-game PSO the add-on based on the PSO-VT. There’s more hope for them at least adding one of Bundesewhr’s 2A6 variants with 3rd gen thermals before 2027 than that.

Well, it was hopium. I really like how it looked and 1650! hp engine would be sick.