Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

[MotorolaCRO]

@Kievskiy_Minipig

Most likely no but by both I meant both enemies and munitions.

I know.

@Kievskiy_Minipig

Pantsir had 0.96 kd (including ground which are 16% of total kills but hey, claws cannot even do that)

It had 0.96 K/D at 12.0, which is obviously different to having 0.95 K/D at 12.3.

@Kievskiy_Minipig

You can look at it from pretty much any side but in the end pantsir still gains more sl per game which implies its more useful for its team than claws.

FlaRakRad in January was more useful than CLAWS since it had 1300 SL per game more, even with significantly worse stats ?
So now FlaRak is also a munition destroying demon ?

Pantsir can try to intercept like salvo and a half from helicopters and J-out as it becomes useless against air at that point.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@MotorolaCRO

FlaRakRad in January was more useful than CLAWS since it had 1300 SL per game more, even with significantly worse stats ?

Better salary in germany I guess.

@MotorolaCRO

So now FlaRak is also a munition destroying demon ?

No because its in game parameters conflict with that. 2 missiles are obv nowhere near to munition interception. While in case of pantsir you get 12 ready to go missiles, ability to track and shoot down up to 4 munitions at once and 2 2a38ms for close range. Crotale has none of that too while sitting at same br.

@MotorolaCRO

Pantsir can try to intercept like salvo and a half from helicopters and J-out as it becomes useless against air at that point.

And so can claws. The difference is that pantsir can also try and kill heli while claws can only cope especially if we are talking about top tier helis.

[KYoo]

@WanouMars

The new Mi-28NM brings LMUR — a top-down, fire-and-forget IR missile with a 15 km range.

Mi28NM, which use 8xLMUR in WT while IRL it can`t attach more than 4.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Kievskiy_Minipig

No because its in game parameters conflict with that.

So where did it get that additional SL per game ?

@Kievskiy_Minipig

And so can claws. The difference is that pantsir can also try and kill heli while claws can only cope especially if we are talking about top tier helis.

CLAWS is still killing stuff just as good while being at a higher BR, which implies it is better at killing stuff.

[KYoo]

@WanouMars

it feels like Russian teams are steamrolling NATO across the board

Yes, because:

1. In previous patch Gaijin added OP BMPT
2. Main USSR opponent - USA - have no modern A-T-G weapon.
3. USSR, in the vast majority of cases, play in coop with Germany/Swedish etc.
4. Kh38.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@MotorolaCRO

So where did it get that additional SL per game ?

Not from ground kills for sure. Stats being absurd and conflicting with vehicle capabilities in game sometimes were the reason I joined this convo with joke takes when one of you brought them up.

@MotorolaCRO

CLAWS is still killing stuff just as good while being at a higher BR, which implies it is better at killing stuff.

Then claws can be moved up with other sams while pantsir can be moved to 12.3. Its better than crotale in almost every way so it makes no sense they sit at same br.

[H_ngma]

5. russian playrates in 10.0+ are just insane

[KYoo]

It`s 1. Thanks OP BMPT.

[H_ngma]

And the event vehicle probably but the numbers are still crazy

[KYoo]

@Necrons31467

You’ll take issue with LMURs being OP

@KYoo

Mi28NM, which use 8xLMUR in WT while IRL it can`t attach more than 4.

@Necrons31467

In the meantime you’ve only further proven my theory that 95% of Russian Bias complaints come from people who’ve never touched a single Russian top-tier MBT.

Have you ever seen that’s going on RU forum?

@H_ngma

I can see that the BMPTs ammo belt is bs just by understanding how belts work.

Gaijin literally made it 1,000 times more survivability than it should be.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@KYoo

Mi28NM, which use 8xLMUR in WT while IRL it can`t attach more than 4.

how so? 4 pylons with dual pads, means 8 rockets.

[luque13]

Manual states as much as does load configuration diagrams.

Including combat deployment and static displays

Ka-52M can or should carry 8 Mi-18 should not

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@luque13

Including combat deployment and static displays

if it isnt used in combat in this configuration, it doesnt mean it cant be used, correct?
T-34s werent loaded with 24 APHE shots only but we can do that ingame.

They said on Army Forum 2022 that Mi-28 as much as Ka-52 can use up to 8 rockets,didnt they?

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@luque13

Manual states as much as does load configuration diagrams

is there a thread about it? I want to educate

[luque13]

There is in one of the many Mi 28 LMUR threads

[Milashny_Koteyka]

im struggling to find such manuals, tho ill try some more

[luque13]

There was an image taken from one in Cyrilic
Sucks that trying to search anything on the forum using a phone

[KYoo]

@Milashny_Koteyka

4 pylons with dual pads, means 8 rockets.

It can’t use ATGM on inner side pylon. There is no wiring for it.

Only Ka-52M can use LMUR on inner side, but only x1 on pylon.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@KYoo

It can’t use ATGM on inner side pylon.

well there are photos of it having different ATGMs or Air-to-air missiles on inner ones. Tho they may not be a battle photoes, rather than again Army Expo ones

[KYoo]

@Milashny_Koteyka

Air-to-air missiles on inner ones

Air to air ≠ ATGM.