This isn’t something you can just balance away, and you need to use the BR system to balance tanks.
That isn’t the only disadvantage.
This isn’t how it works. You can’t just dismiss legitimate issues with them by saying “this isn’t true,”
You also failed to mention their overall poor mobility compared to anything that isn’t British.
Bro used the tank with the worst armour of high tier russian TT to make his argument more valid (turmst) lol
Lets talk about it then:
So, in your mind, they are exactly like that IRL? Artificially nefing for balance purpose isnt valid, but artificially buffing is?
It outperform any AA around its BR and is easier to use then ADATS which is a whole BR higher.
Thats a very complex argument and its not valid in this situation and especially in this game. Unless you want to leak sekrit dokuments komrade.
jesus chirst, you took this to a whole different point of view. Chill man, its not about thinking that russian is a weak country, its about having fun in a videogame.
Not really.
Yes Really.
Go and grind out the Russian tanks then. See how you fare considering you believe them to be oh so strong.
Yes really.
The game is fun until a russian 10.0+ tanks show up
As I said, T-72AV (Turms-T) is a battle rating 10.3 vehicle, I’m just joking if you wasted your time replying to that is not my issue. Perhaps this doesn’t apply since it’s half Italian, half Sovietic and half Syrian. Before you reply to this, it’s also a joke.
Cannon breech still very reliable spot in most vehicles, there will be exceptions like KPz-70 and XM-803 with reinforced mantlet and the hell for penetration calculation that is there. Driver port’s also another easy spot specially for T-72s and T-90s but generally I go for the lower glacis plate, which either I destroy by hitting the ammo, fuel tank exploding or knocking out enough crewmembers to disable the vehicle completely.
I’m not aware of any artificial buffs in this moment, there will be some cases like the EldE 98 regarding its mobility, which is not exactly a buff since is something most vehicles could have, and yet is poorly implemented but is a exclusive aspect of this vehicle.
That’s the reason: ADATS is superior to 2S6, 2S6 as well is superior to most other anti-air vehicles at the battle rating 10.7 range lower, that’s how the battle rating system works, you don’t need to have a battle rating 1.0 difference between vehicles to classify this as superior.
Suddenly the discussion is complex and doesn’t fit the game: 9M333 is superior to FIM-92, so complex I see. There’s no document leakage neccessary for this discussion and possible fixes for the FIM-92, which is the current closest anti-air missile in terms of operation, while you have 9M39 as the direct counterpart for the FIM-92 in-game currently as well but it wasn’t mentioned in your original post.
I don’t have this radical (at some point normalized in the forums) perspective of view of things, others do, I don’t open threads accusing Russian bias without data and information, something I’ve been waiting to see myself years at this point, I don’t believe that USSR is a superior nation in any general regard, there will be specific aspects, but this also applies to any other nation, you have specific aspects certain nations are good at, in others aspect don’t, it’s not a jack-of-all-trades situation.
I kinda agree with the osa either getting a br increase to 11.3 or a nerf to the missiles agility as the 9M33M3 (osa), 9M331 (tor), HQ17 (HQ17) and 95Ya6 (pantsir) are the only SACLOS missiles that can reliability follow targets through a lose aileron roll/barrell roll (the same roll to avoid sparrows).
i am Russia main. all T72 tanks are garbage. even a tank with Br 8.0 (Magach 5) will destroy me. next to the gun, through the tension wheel, from below to the chassis, frontally to the top. armor does not exist. I mainly play Russian tanks and Br 9.3-10-3 is totally unplayable. T72B should be 9.7 and T72A maximum 8.7. you can’t play with it. it’s like CounterStrike 2.0, whoever shoots first wins. this is not fun. OSA AKM is tragic, I can never target anyone on the radar and fire a missile. the radar doesn’t show the helicopter and if it does, you can’t lock on and shoot it down. OSA AKM is just a piece of scrap.
I think actually it comes down to a couple things. Russians tanks tend to be good brawlers in my opinion, especially with the KV and IS series. Additionally, their teammates tend to be much stronger than US or German teammates. The one thing Germany excels at, which is sniping, is one of the more boring ways to play, and many German teammates simply do not have the brainpower nor patience to sit back and snipe, instead rushing the enemy for close quarters combat, which is what Russia excels at. Additionally, until 6.7, US tanks are simply not great. From the beginning, US tanks are never going to stand up to Soviet tanks, US tanks are meant to outmaneuver the Soviets. US tanks have better turret traverse, gun depression, speed, and typically also reloads. Again, these strengths don’t really matter when 99% of the players simply rush the enemy. Ultimately, US and German tanks are really good as well, but most players don’t play to their strengths and instead try to match the Soviets in one of their strengths, which is brawling.
Still way too low bro, it has four 30mm cannons, twice the number of cannons of Gepards. The 2S6 is basically two Gepard glued on top of each other so by right 8.3*2 = 16.6br, but since our current max br is only at 12.7, so it needs to be 12.7 bro. The absurdity of russian bias is clearly showing, they are not even hiding it anymore. When we get max br to 13.3 or 13.7 we can move it up again because this is the only vehicle that could chop down all the trees in fields of Normandy and turn it into another braindead open space map like fire arc bro
Sarcasm increases
1- Breach, idler wheel, lfp, etc are no where near “pixel” size.
Entire turret in the case of T-80BVM.
2- Soviet tanks do not have reduced spall.
2a- Spalling is based on material type, ammunition mass, penetration left over, and possibly other factors.
VIDAR and T-80U for example will spall similarly.
However, VIDAR and T-80U will not spall in the same way T-72 and Abrams do.
3- Not a thing. Ammo detonates.
4- Trunnions make hitting more difficult, but that’s it. Type 90 has this as well as other tanks.
1- 2S6 is correctly BR’d. 11.3 would require aircraft of 10.7 to move up to 11.3 as well, which wouldn’t be fair to them.
Other 10km class SPAA of equal capability should be 10.7 - 11.0 as well.
2- Strela is already nerfed.
3- Roland 3 is 9.7 and 10.0…
Gaijin did balance Soviet tanks as they should… on release of the ground vehicles.
The Russian bias claims continue.
so, explain me how a LFP shot only kill the driver and the engine? You are very delusional
The difference is that Type-90 is a giant weak spot, meanwhile breech in russian tanks are one of the main weakspots… You level o logic is amazing.
Its not. Again, there is no similar AA that matches its firepower at the same BR or closer…
Ohh, of course its. A lot nerfed…
Still useless and heavily nerfed.
Problem is neither 2S6 nor Pantsir has direct equivalent on NATO side, not to mention at 11.3 we already got TOR-M1 which has better missiles against targets that flies high enough.
So at this point Tunguska doesn’t need any br increase.
Yes, but tunguska have a very good advantage over TOR. Guns, and a lot of them. TOR is very easy to destroy, just fly low and hit it from close. This is so true the OTOMATIC have returned to its glory times due to the new CAS meta.
NATO could have, if gaijin buffed stingers to their real pull. around 20-22G as already reported in the forums, but they neglected because iglas cant do the same.
Yea but in return it has worse radar and worse missiles which is the main selling point of TOR-M1.
I used Chinese version quite a lot and its better than Tunguska in most cases, especially against maneuvering targets, Tunguska on the other hand is better for close range engagements due to quadruple 30mm’s.
Stinger will never be equal to dedicated long range SAM missiles even if they buff it to real values.
The missiles on the 2s6 seem a bit suck, 3-4 seconds after launching it would start having seizures and feel like impossible to lead it to the target. Like it lose all power suddenly
I didn’t have major issues with Tunguska’s missiles in general but I rather use TOR-M1 any day due to how much better missiles it has.