Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

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4001

They really wouldn’t lmao.
Historical ammo M48 against historical ammo T-55 is balanced
Historical ammo M60 against historical ammo T-62 is balanced
NATO lacking T-64 and T-72 direct equivalent is very much balanced by NATO having overwhelming CAS during the 60s. F-4E with AGM-62 and even AGM-65A + similar against Shilka. Yeah.

The Proto IS tanks are the only offenders.

Really, Soviet/Russia has a lot more to lose with historical BR than the situation now. You’d be a complete fool to think otherwise. F-14A against MiG-21 is a good example of what you would get.

4002

Please do especially post 2010 lol

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4003

In a ‘historical matchmaker’ they would cease to exist

Cherry picking a few places where russia might be better does nothing to offput the absolute NATO dominance post 70s, Just imagine T-80BV vs Leopard 2A6

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4004

Isn’t that happens with difficulties ? Like it has third party technology and thus must go trough their approval.
Germany definetly won’t allow any competition in tanks market since it growing military might.

4005

Are you basing your entire point on a URL that can be changed on a whim?
This is the URL of the so-called “leak”: https://warthunder.com/en/news/8616-development-t-90m-obr-2017-the-modern-masterpiece
The text after the ID can be changed to whatever you want, e.g. https://warthunder.com/en/news/8616-development-your-mom, and it’ll still show you the 8616 article, i.e. the Tornado devblog.

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4006

No… The US had an Abrams with unmanned turret prototype in the late 80s/early 90s. The M1 TTB.

And the Stryker MGS was a production vehicle before the T-14 even left the drawing board.

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4007

This screenshot of the URL is mine; I took it at the time. It’s interesting to know that they changed it.

4008

For game it is enough that the speed of intercepted targets indicated for T14 APS allows you to intercept apfsds. It will be the best APS in game along with iron fist with current APS implementation (delete any apfsds that it can intercept)

4009

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1980s…
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4010

I doubt that the german government would prevent Rheinmetall from making money

4011

I know that vehicle. And what does this have to do with his incorrect claim that the T-14 influenced NATO unmanned designs?

Both sides experimented with this idea in the 80s, and the US was first to mass produce this design with teh Stryker MGS.

4012

Every new piece of military equipment influences its rivals to improve.

4013

And NATO is better at the improving part

4014

Not really since one of the premise between Rheinmetall (Germany) and Leonardo’s (Italy) Joint Venture is to eventually sell the product to anyone that is interested. Rheinmetall is a lot more open compared to KNDS in this regard.

Cooperation is a very good way to take the best out of both worlds.

4015

This thread is already bad enough, so to avoid making it even worse, I’ll refrain from responding to any NAFO fanboys.

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4016

…from a TEC video. You screenshotted a TEC video.
TEC was sent a link, and made a video about it. It’s not official.

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4017

Although that might change with the “export oriented” French involvement in KNDS now. Compared to KMW before

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4018

Thanks

4019

No, not always. The USSR was highly secretive when it came to its designs. The Object 195 was its own vehicle, like the M1 TTB was its own separate vehicle.

Object 195 became T-14, M1 TTB idea was brought into the Stryker MGS in 2003 before Russia even had a production design of a vehicle with unmanned turret.

One of the only technological discovery where the USSR/Russia truly outmatched the West since ~1980s has been APS. First Drozd, then the early Arena version ready for production in 2000. It was so good for its time that General Dynamics almost bought the license to build and install Arena on the Abrams.

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This didn’t become a reality because US congress refused to buy the Arena for US Abrams and Turkey chose the Leopard 2 instead of the Abrams.

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4020

The Soviets were at the forefront of tank production until the emergence of a worthy rival: the Leopard 2.
I didn’t know that information about the Arena, very interesting.