By the way, source about the T-90M being from 2015? Or you’re ready to admit you’re wrong?(Probably would be the first time you admit you’re wrong)
So any experimental or prototype vehicle that not entered in service automatically becomes vehicle from future ?
They’ve added the Kiowa but it doesn’t have the ability to scout.
Oh he saw it in a victory parade, a show infamous for Russia showing off military strength, whether those tanks are ready for combat doesn’t matter
No… no we do not… IMBT is the project that quite literally substituted the option that the 2A8 was supposed to be.
The IMBT is, as I’ve pointed with the official page from Leonardo up in this thread, the joint venture between Leonardo and Rheinmetall that will work on the new Italian MBT that is supposed to be a stop-gap to both make the Italian “tank” industry better and to move towards future project such as MGCS (that are already being nominated in our DPP and have funds already allocated for)
Not even lol…
From what I found, the very first parade of the T-90M was in 2020. I have no idea where he even got the 2015 number.
Did the entire HSTVL point go over your head?
I’m not claiming the HSTVL is from any specific date, so it’s not tied to service requirements.
However that IS applicable if you ARE going to claim that, say the BUK M3 as we see it in game is from 2015, despite the weaponry it uses in game still being in development, that makes it a 2025/26/27 vehicle until said missile enters service out of development
You have spread a lot of disinformation and been quite a troll.
@I_MiikaL_I
I do admit when I’m wrong, unlike the rest of you.
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lmfao okay, so once again. Where’s the source for that:
And that’s also wrong, you’ve been on a roll lately:
We could have some cool Cold War stuff too, like that American M1 with scoliosis and the OBJ195.
We can disagree all day long, it says online the parliament still wished to procure some for the fact of having something up to date.
They had disagreements with the manufacturer. I read that from what you posted but unless I glanced over it, and I doubt I did, it didn’t say anything about dropping it as an option entirely.
The “current plan” I can see from the parliament document says procurement by 2027.
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No you just cherry pick what ever convenient and spray it with political bias why like any experimental vehicle like from AGS program is not from 2025 now.
It’s not a matter of disagreeing or not. It’s a matter of understanding and it seems like the message is not going through. Italy’s plan is to get a stop-gap option to work towards future projects. That stop-gap option was supposed to be the 2A8, until the agreement was not found between KNDS and Leonardo, turning it into a joint venture between Leonardo and Rheinmetall. I’ll try to find more up to date articles but that is from June 2024, a little early. I’ll try to edit this message with it.
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Point to these please, my claims are always well estimated or sourced, and i don’t side with the faction who fabricates most of their military statistics
Yes that is true however;
“The second green light from parliament was for Italy’s planned purchase of Leopard 2A8 tanks to replace its ageing Ariete tanks and make good on NATO commitments.“
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Your article is outdated, as they decided to call off the purchase of Leopard 2A8s past summer of 2024, that article is from feburary
Feb 2024 news. My article is from June 2024. It’s late news and sadly most non Italian articles or defence outlets have not covered it.
The replacement of our ageing Ariete C1 fleet is the Ariete C2 program.
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Here’s just a few examples :) of “disinformation” and also defamation of character.
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Excuse me for the article being Italian, but this is the first Ariete C2 being delivered. Quite recent.
Well, until they report that they have totally cancelled it, I would assume the deal is still on.
@I_MiikaL_I it may be older, doesn’t mean the procurement has changed.
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