Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?

No? (At least the way I understood it…)

Engine is main power unit, turbine was used primarily for boosts (or as it is said in manual in the post below, when stuck or when crossing obstacles)

Inside T-72 Main Battle Tank.

[Home Video] Comander View / Autoload and Fire Inside an T-64 Tank#1

Not a myth Komrade, well known facts. I know they can be a bit of an unusual concept where you come from…

T-72s had a bit of a vicious reputation for some truly awful crew injuries. Imagine working in a small turret and that thing snagging a bit of clothing, a bit of an arm, etc. There are no sensors to detect if a foreign object is in the path of the autoloader mechanism. No guards that interlock to ensure crew are out of the way when it does it’s thing.

Of course, I’m sure you have some evidence to refute this. I gladly await your doubtless erudite response.

Although I won’t hold my breath.

I think also the carousel of charges that the crew LITERALLY SITS on without even stowage bins or compartmentalisation is also a paragon of safety. Possibly by Soviet standards, but the rest of the world has moved on a bit…

Edit to add - note how T-90M made some quite considerable changes to the crew’s ability to interact with the autoloader mechanism.

T-90M autoloading and firing at training grounds. : r/TankPorn

Ergo - no bloody great big arm reaching up past the crew (observe the large metal guards that act as a barrier either side of the mechanism in the reddit post above).

Only took them about 40 years…

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It’s not lathe.

Same reason why Abrams or Leopard doesn’t have sensor on a blast door.

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The fact that i can use your own “proofs” to disproove your sentsence is depressing.

Well known facts have well known proofs at this moment you gave only assumptions.

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Correct, although in a last ditch effort to find cover when the diesel goes down, the turbine can move the 103 by its self. But of course, that’s an emergency situation, as it said, you risk cooking up the engine.

It can be thought of like a WEP system for tanks.

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I was disgusted by how overpowered Mi-28NM was and couldn’t bother researching all the mods from my T-80s, hence my poor stats on them (I don’t have half the mods on them).

But what’s new with USSR player ? Their tanks are simultaneously the worst and yet they steamroll NATO teams all the time.

What a mystery. It’s almost as if they are painting reality as something it isn’t …

Thats a metal guard it has no interclock…if something gets caught in the way of the loader the gunner will be critically injured it has a history of maiming crew.

That is also a newer tank as the crew member is in MC and not the Flora or EMR…

CAS prices are too low, double the price and watch Russian win rates fall off a fkin cliff.
The tanks are as many have said the top 3/4 so average but not terrible and the differences are quite small.

CAS prices are just right, Russian CAS prices are too low.

You mean to tell me Tiger HAD Block 2 / AH-129D, which cannot even overpressure SPAAs with Spike-ERs, should be as expensive to spawn as a Mi-28NM with x5 LMURs that overpressure MBTs even by missing them by 5 meters and move 4x times as fast ? Please.

Don’t even get me started on DIRCM …

Tiger HAD Block 2 and AH-129D cannot even destroy Mi-28NMs currently because DIRCM prevents Mistrals/Stingers and Spike-ERs to lock. It prevents camera lock as well so even 20mm/30mm chin guns and Hellfires don’t work on them either.

But hey, surely they deserve to be on the same BR range and cost as much to spawn, right?

Anyone claiming Russian MBTs are bad is coping. You can literally keep pressing W and win with them. Only STRV-122s can do that besides Russian MBTs.
Anyone claiming Russian CAS isn’t OP is utterly delusional.

Russia literally rolls over all top tier matches AND YET THAT’S NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM.
They still want better MBTs. It’s that sad.

All Russian players claiming otherwise are so embarassing … The jokes write themselves at this point.

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No increase CAS across the board and make it that only skilled players can access them. In no world is getting a kill and a cap, or a scout and kill should grant you access to Death star the map.
Gaijin like selling premium helicopters and jets and people expect to be able to call them in, but they have ruined the balance and now not even top tier SAMS (we literally cannot get a better system than the IRIS-TSLM, IRL) New Su-30 premium is coming with new missiles (not as good as Kh-38s but they can IOG/GPS them to just smash the spawns and kill SAMs from miles away.

Game is not in a good spot right now.

How do you fix it, well increase spawn cost for all CAS, lower spawn cost for CAP aircraft (without armoured belts etc)
Spawn CAS further away, give the SAMs and CAP aircraft a chance to intercept. Discourage cheap revenge bombing by making the player fly a distance to get there. We don’t have that in game but we do at lower BRs PE-8/Lancasters can and are shot down before they bomb.

make CAS a special thing for good play and not just a certainty. or weaken it by adding APS to tanks and IFVS that should have it

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I don’t know where to begin. You either don’t understand the subject or just can’t be bothered to learn. It’s difficult to tell.

Abrams DOES indeed have a sensor on the ammunition door for a fact. 2 sensors - one on each ‘edge’ of the door - both to protect the crew when the door is opening and closing. Leo 2 similar story. Abrams also has a loader switch that has to be enacted upwards before the gun is fired. Other Western types usually have a guard that is interlocked with the firing cycle so in theory the loader isn’t in the way of the gun breech.

You’d know this if you read a book on the subject. Or even did a 30s google. Do you have access to google in your neck of the woods or is it just Party Pamphlets?

The cartridge tray isn’t a metal guard. IT IS THE TRAY WHERE THE CARTRIDGE GOES!

You’ve circled the front of the turret (you can see the guy’s foot) rather that the ammunition carousel.

Actually, I can’t be bothered with you. You probably do think the moon is made of cheese…

First result on a google search.

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Quora Answers =/= Accurate Source of Information

By the way - the autoloader design does indeed have everything to do with the flying turret escapades. Ever wonder why most Western designs with autoloaders expressly avoid having their ammunition in a carousel under the turret ring - instead putting the ammunition in a bustle, etc?

I’ll give you a clue.

It keeps the charges AWAY from the fighting compartment.

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Im sorry but can i have a proofs of WIDE SPREAD history without wall of cope ?

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Except they don’t?

Another proof that a 2 K/D in the leclercs turns out to be nothing special lmao.

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No you see, that would mean his totally fair and balanced Rafale would also increase in price.

The Rafale is already suffering so much, only having good stats because these supposedly superior French players.

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Where is your top tier in literally any other nation but France?

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CAS already got more expensive passively with the last BR changes, now that top tier MBT cost more to spawn.

If you can’t get into a CAP plane right now it’s a skill issue. They are cheap af to spawn, you want them for free ?

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The ZTZ tanks are not the worst.
They are the fastest MBTs in-game, among the most mobile, firing competitive rounds, having average armor.

Mmmm, contradicting statements.

@luque13
Helicopter prices are correct.
Fixed wing-CAS prices are too high for IR AGMs, especially now that they’re no longer OP or even meta.

IR AGM CAS costs more than 3 ground spawns.

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Once again I have to quote RedEffect, in his video debunking myths about the T72, THERE IS NO CASE OF AN AUTOLOADER THAT HAS MULTILATED ITS CREW, damn Luque, can’t you manage a single topic without posting a lie in the middle?

Ah yes, this being the famous Red ‘Top Attack Munitions (Javelin) don’t work’ Effect?

Russian Youtube channel explaining the Javlin would not actually work against modern Russian tanks because ERA mostly defeats the tandem charge anyway, and it wouldn’t hit the roof anyhow because the YTer confused direct attack footage with top attack footage : r/NonCredibleDefense

I think when it comes to unbiased info on Soviet tanks - Red Effect is in the same category as Basil Brush, Lazerpig and some random guy in the pub. I wouldn’t put too much store into their takes on AFVs…

Well okay - that’s not quite fair. Basil Brush always struck me as misunderstood.