I mean
it also limits the size of other projectiles, dart is just the most notable
and it is very much necessary for the rare encounter between tanks (which would be more likely in peer on peer conflict)
T90m with commander thermals stab kord or BMPT commander thermals visibility doesn’t get any better than that
Yes, however T72B3 and T80BVM do not have
NATO tank advantages.
FCS, Optics/Thermals, Sensor fusion tanks can talk to each other they can Geo locate what has engaged them and they can automatically track multiple targets. The commander then just switches through them and each one is engaged. (Not brand new, but the system is being updated all the time)
Crew comfort, an FPV drone wont come and drop a grenade on you when you need a poo or to heat up rations.
Track tensioning something as simple as that is done from a control within the drivers area on a CR2 on a T series tank you are using wrenches and bars.
If we do top trump on stats which too many people do we see.
Top speed - Russia
Fire power - Russia (125mm is larger)
Armour - Russia Relikt ERA can stop anything in the known world.
But when we look at the soft factors of a tank like ammunition storage and crew ergonomics, sensor, thermals, sighting systems Russia falls behind in a big way
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Length doesn’t give any advantage today. It’s established. In fact it would’ve been better if tank cannon had lower muzzle velocity. It would help curve the shot in a trench or artillery mode. It reduces dispersion on terrain.
Heat or he russian rounds are good ir better
For a real tank duel to take place, they would have to travel about 10 kilometers and face more than 50 drones.
NATO rounds are are better than Russian rounds. Thats why only the Armata can use 3BM70, it can’t in the traditional autoloader. NATO has developed anti-ERA rounds like M829A4 and DM53
do you know how you can do that
a larger projectile with less propellant, which is something russian tanks cant do as well due to their limits or projectile size
they can very well use less propelant
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They use 2 piece ammo. Only the top half can be reduced
and it still could without issue?
i dont see we they couldnt
Only hypothetical in theory not in metal
NATO tank advantages.
FCS, Optics/Thermals, Sensor fusion tanks can talk to each other they can Geo locate what has engaged them or what they have seen and they can automatically track multiple targets. The commander then just switches through them and each one is engaged. (Not brand new, but the system is being updated all the time)
Crew comfort, an FPV drone wont come and drop a grenade on you when you need a poo or to heat up rations. CR2 has that no Russian tank does, situational awareness, CR2 has multiple backup sights. It also has measures so the crew can get their bearings if they need to bail out and not just climb out of a hatch into I don’t know an IFV waiting to shred them.
Track tensioning something as simple as that is done from a control within the drivers area on a CR2 on a T series tank you are using wrenches and bars.
It is only Russia who consider the CR2 a bad tank, Ukraine love them, they want more. But Russia has a real issue with the CR2 and I have never understood why, yes it lags behind the M1A2 and Leopard 2A7
CR3 will improve on the original design and make it one of the deadliest tanks in service.
If we do top trump on stats which too many people do we see.
Top speed - Russia
Fire power - Russia (125mm is larger)
Armour - Russia Relikt ERA can stop anything in the known world.
But when we look at the soft factors of a tank like ammunition storage and crew ergonomics, sensor, thermals, sighting systems Russia falls behind in a big way
to get them stuck in the mud or use them as direct atillery
the challenger is probably the tank with the worst combat record in ukrainian use from all the ones they have gotten
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Yes, of course, Putin recently went live on state television and said he can’t sleep because he’s afraid of Challenger 2.
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This applies to all weapons that exist in reality.
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The Ukrainians said the vehicle is very heavy, difficult to repair, and worse than a humble T-64 for attacking enemy positions, simply because it uses hesh ammunition, as prop redeffect discussed in their video.
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The worst combat use they have lost 2 of them. They were the first tanks delivered and have served from Robotye to Kursk. Every tank will get stuck in the mud even T series ones they don’t glide over it.
CR2 can be used as a makeshift artillery because of the fire control system that will allow HESH to be fired over 8km.
Leopard 2 and M1s are more plentiful and are usually more involved with the front line combat.
Can we just remember that Russia does not actively engage Western tanks with their tanks. Did you ever see a Tiger tank scared of an inferior T-34…
someone clearly dosent know about how the german reports described the east front and the t-34
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