@CyrusJacob
From 2022 to the 2nd half of 2024, Harrier GR7 was unkillable.
Pantsir was updated in the October 2024 update which increased its effective range to 16km, after that only stuff like F-16C, F-111F/C, Su-34, F-15E, etc were still OP unkillable.
Of course if Pantsir got any frag against those aircraft, it was purely due to a skill lapse among the CAS.
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The AA back then were often enough to deal with it.
Doesn’t change the fact it was so much more easier to kill these aircraft with the Pantsir… Never forget that the Flakrad radar is unable to detect at target flying at 16km distance - 5km height due to its poor radar search elevation. ADATS is the same. The good radar of the Pantsir + guns made it possible to intercept missiles coming your way.
Also, you’re not mentioning that quite a few maps back then had air border at ~15km or so. So planes were physically unable to get out of Pantsir effective range while that wasn’t the case for Su-34 vs ITO. I think that was only changed recently with Gaijin pushing airfield back patch after patch and the new AAs being added.
So yeah, saying the last time Soviet weren’t ahead since the MiG-23MLD when KH-38 were that dominant for more than a year in 2024-2025 is wild…
GR7 used AGM 65s on a mediocre flight platform. It did have SNIPER originally which was nice. But that was shortly removed
@CyrusJacob
Harrier GR7 had a range of 17km against ground targets.
The best SPAA at the time was 12km, then 13km when Pantsir was added, then over a year after that 16km where Pantsir vs Harirer GR7 is currently balanced.
Kh-38MT was not ahead because it didn’t change anything. CAS was OP before it and CAS was OP after it.
For something to be ahead, it has to change something. Literally anything.
Pantsir didn’t change anything because the best CAS in the game was still dominating, even after it was fixed in later 2024 F-15/16, Rafale/Mirage were still easily able to move around it, let alone Typhoon that could quite literally just ignore its missiles with its flight performance.
So yeah, USSR has been playing catch up, or in the case of LMUR getting something at the same time as other tech trees.
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let’s be honest, the lemur should have stopped at 4 pieces, and the x38mt should have been released along with the composite anti-aircraft guns
No offense but just a lie, or simply wrong. You couldn’t move around the Pantsir on a map like Sweden because of how small it was.(It might still be the case for Sweden now? Not sure).
Alaska was also very small before they made it larger, the map border was within 16km or so of the battlefield. (I’m sure there were other maps like that but I don’t remember all.)
I know for a fact that was a thing because I clearly remember getting killed sidestrafing mach 1 at the map border by Pantsir in my F-15E on some of these maps, with the mechanical inability to move away further while Su-34/Su-30SM could chill out of range of ADATS/Flakrad/ITO on the very same map.
So yes, Pantsir + KH-38 on the same side were different big times on these maps. It’s not even a debate, that’s just fact.
But you always had terrible opinion on this subject anyway… That’s what you said in 2023 about the UK ADATS:
No comments. 😂
Yes, a lot.
Most nations have at one stage or another.
In your experience? cause for me I keep coming across the damn 64E compared to the MI28
Mig29 air frame got nerfed to sht as well it still is under perfroming, even for a mig29 xD
Pantsir was almost always a skill issue.
So you don’t care about balance unless it negatively effects you?
The Su34 for example though isn’t that bad at all, since we got the new SPAAs , which the IRIS - T was top dog and still is, most planes at top tier have become pretty damn difficult to use.
Bar the very fastest / most manueverable ones, gripen, rafale, F16, Su30, typhoon etc
The likes of the Jh7A, or anyother higher BR strike air craft, as well as su34 are absolutely dead in the water.
To be fair the KA50 at launch was busted as hell, it destroyed the entire heli game mode as well, however that was due to it being a premium NOT russian.
Same as when for naval they added a premium ship for germany as a heavy cruiser back in teh day and it floored majority of the lobbies.
Abrams when it was added caused the game to be changed! 4 man uptiers as they absolutely slaughtered lobbies.
The japanese T2 is it as well ? caused changes to be made.
Everyone just ignores the stuff that challanges the narrative of Russian bias.
Then they got slammed with F14 xD which was and is miles better.
as well as a German, British, Japanese, American, etc etc
CL13 slammed for years, F4E, dominated for ages, air since the F14 was dominated by USA for what 3 years. As well as in naval getting stomped until the Kronshtant was added.
For ground? we’ve seen it change hands over and over Br for BR, when britains centurions were added they absolutely shredded.
theres plenty examples of other nations getting the spotlight people are just choosing to ignore it.
You realise you are parroting what was originally a meme no?
Gripen C when it was added,
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What did they even get before BVM xD A T72… at top tier which sucked so much
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Su27 and f15 were released in the same update
We must of been playin different top tier mate, the KH38 was no more annoying than any other cas platform for ages.
gonna act like the F16C’s slinging 6 mavs off easily while dodging all SPAA wasn’t busted?
That isn’t true either , pantsir wasn’t a big threat unless you just flew in a straight line.
Folks like to completely ignore that man dont worry.
He means before it was added, NATO CAS back before the KH38 was added was largely dominant due to strong af pla
You act as if the Pantsir was some undodgeable missile slinger?
it was extremely easy to beat , possible even in harriers. So yeah the F16A even could and does out do it.
I know because it’s what I did xD
You realise the response to CAS is CAP, SPAA are a last line of defense against it.
Su34 was easy and is easy AF to shoot down it’s unbelieveably massive.
Gonna have to agree here, I used to use the GR7 when Pantsir was “OP meta” and they still struggled to hit me.
The Pantsir KD on stat shark was around 1.48 back just before these hyper strong SPAA were added, the IRIS T last I checked was near double what pantsir was, don’t see anyone complaining demanding it get nerfed?
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Ironic coming from someone incapable of getting a K/D above 1 in pretty much any of his ground vehicles.
DOUBLE time ironic since your stats in the GR7 are 18 deaths for 4 ground kills. Keep it up.
You say that but my overall GRB KD is literally 1.0 ? xD
As well as the fact ARB is 1.11 if you actually check in game it shows you that.
Most are now either near 1.0 or above it as well. Bar ones I haven’t touched in over 3 years xD
even for ARB its positive.
Or are you now going to tell me that stat shark is more accurate than WT?
I used it in ARB for the most part ? trying to get more on it? xD
I’ve only used it in a few GRB matches bud.
You also state to me about my KD when your own is roughly comparable, you are also on here chatting about vehicles you’ve never even used xD you’ve top tier in two nations man.
You’ve no idea where the stats come from ARB or GRB though? so how the hell can you claim the argument is trash?
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Really though, why feel the need to lie about this so blatantly when anybody can check your stats in game? You played the thing only 21 times, died 18 times in it, killed 5 planes, and destroyed 4 ground targets.
→ out of arguments
Stat checks ppl to deny their perfectly fine argument
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Guy is saying he could dodge the Pantsir easy in the GR7. That’s the basis of his argument. I checked his stats out of curiosity and low and behold, that was a pure lie. His argument was trash.
And yes, if the basis of one’s argument is to call skill issue, then they should expect to be judged on the same basis, that being their skill.
You again are choosing to ignore that a plane can be used in two types of battles unlike a tank.
if you look at the GR1A itll show that I have trash KD for air kills as I dont use it in ARB
EDIT also if we wanna look at the last month stats, I’m doing substantially better than yourself.
You’re also ignoring the fact in GRB there isn’t just Pantsir there xD
There are other planes too.
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Dude, do you take people for dumber than they are? You killed only 4 ground targets in the entire lifetime of you using the GR7. How can you build an argument of your experience fighting Pantsir in it when 4 kills can be done in a single game easy.
If you had 40 ground kill in the thing, okay, your ARB/GRB retort could make sense, but with only 4 ground kills, it doesn’t. Stop digging a deeper hole.
I have double your KD in most of my vehicles, going up to 2.5 in certain vehicles in which I did well, and ~3 for certain planes. Again, why lie so blatantly?
No it has more games and with a 30k LMUR research vs 560k 64E plus JAGM research it makes sense that there’s a lot more mi28s (for now)
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But does it actually have more games, I can see the RP point though.
It’s not digging a deeper hole xD I’m saying why it is the way it is.
If you wanna say that then batter in.
That isn’t possible xD you’ve got on stat shark 1.19 and I’ve 1.09.
You’ve also used less vehicles than I have so you’re making a pretty damn broad sweeping statement to say you’ve double my KD in most your vehicles.
The maths isn’t mathing bud.
I’ve even posted my stats, and yours.
So who’s the one lying? xD