USA and UK have ADATS, which honestly is comparable.
You can only hit targets that are going somewhat at you in the 10km range.
Which is only 2km shorter than Pantsir missile’s maneuverable range.
Pantsir can hit 18km targets IF they go straight toward Pantsir or it’s a helicopter. Pretty much drones, bombers, and helicopters only beyond 12km.
If you doubt this, you can get in CAS and I’ll coach you how to win against Pantsir with me in the Pantsir.
Yes except as I mentioned it costs 2-4x as much to spawn depending on how much you actually played that round compared to the Pantsir which gets the super discounted SPAA spawn
True. Especially for something that’s “as good” as Pantsir… meaning it’ll miss targets.
This is why I’ve been putting air superiority fighters in my SPAA slots for the last year.
F-16C, F-15J, Mig-29G for Germany, Gripen for Britain.
I’d rather spend 500 SP for a guaranteed anti-air than 90SP for potential kills, or more in the case of ADATS.
“ADATS, which honestly is comparable.”
Pantsir Advantages -
ADATS Advantages -
“honestly comparable,” sure…
You listed no actual advantages of Pantsir.
You made filler in order to embellish your favorite SPAA in the game.
Pantsir’s sole advantage over ADATS is the 2km longer range against maneuvering targets, and 8km longer range against static targets.
That’s it.
The rest aren’t measurable benefits, which you’d know if you had experience in all the SPAA systems, or at least defeated all the SPAA systems.
Yes, I even defeated TOR-M1, I was beyond 12km when I defeated it.
Which no one care (except Russian main which their thought not have value anyways)that they superior than Russians because they supposed to be that way
As an SPAA having 3.0x the total missiles, 1.5x the readily available missiles, faster missiles, 2.0x the launch range, more explosive mass, a larger trigger radius, and semi-automatic guidance are at the very least objectively advantages that have huge implications in match.
A Pantsir at the minimum will be 1.5x more effective in the short term and 3.0x more effective in the long term during a match, let alone thinking about how effective the radar of the Pantsir is when compared to having to beam-ride the ADATS’s missiles (while also needing to be more accurate because the ADATS has a smaller trigger radius AND a lower amount of explosive filler).
Amount of missiles is potential, nothing more.
Explosive mass doesn’t matter if the missiles kill the target in its proximity range.
Larger trigger radius doesn’t matter if they can’t maneuver well enough to begin with.
Automatic guidance misses its target.
So you listed no advantages.
And the advantage I listed you never did because you think paper range means everything.
Here’s a fun fact, Matra 530E has a range of 30km, must be better than AIM-9L then.
How about AIM-54s 160km range. Must be better than AIM-7Es… oh wait.
Paper range means nothing.
No it’s not lmfao. Especially since you mentioned the UK ADATS too.
-The Pantsir has guns.
-The Pantsir has a MUCH better radar capable of acquiring targets from further away and with a much better detection elevation.
-The Pantsir optic is so much better to track long-range targets. 5x-28x for the Pantsir vs 6x-12x for the Adats. The Pantsir also has higher quality thermal.
-The Pantsir is capable of attacking targets right above it, the ADATS is NOT in the case of the US version(59° elevation vs 85° Pantsir)
-The Pantsir missiles go faster which is incredibly useful to hit helicopters before they hit you if they already fired their missile your way.
Get out of here with your constant nonsense. The Pantsir radar vs others. The ADATS and Flakrad especially have an absolute trash search radar that can be defeated by simply flying high.
Pantsir itself is defeated by flying high and fast.
Pantsir cannot and has never hit a fast moving slightly perpendicular target flying high in War Thunder.
The gun doesn’t matter cause only helicopters would get that close or low.
CAS meta is to stay high and never get shot down cause only TOR-M1 can hit you.
A total of zero semi-skilled players have died to Pantsir.
You said yourself the Pantsir was forcing you defensive even above 12km when the ADATS cannot even hit a static target at that range lmao.
Then they do matter because helicopters rushing with rocket pods is a common occurrence in high tier?
The Pantsir fires further, faster, has more ammo, with better search radar to detect targets, and better optics to follow targets than both the ADATS and Flakrad. This is only fact. Only a fool would say they are equal…
Delet Russia
Disown Gaijin
Salt the snail
Tell that to Harrier being fast? lol
not an excuse that Pantsir have best radar and range advantage over other when 2S6 are enough and they get it not long after got bomb to the ground by Harrier GR7 (which is very few of them) coincidence? i think not it being Russian main clowns can’t handle their own medicine that they doing to other with MiG-27K and crying for better AA disgusting, isn’t it?
“Explosive mass doesn’t matter if the missiles kill the target in its proximity range.” So in other words, the increased trigger radius and the increased explosive mass (doing more effective damage at that larger radius) objectively makes the Pantsir better - like I said.
“Larger trigger radius doesn’t matter if they can’t maneuver well enough to begin with.” The ADATS and Pantsir missiles have roughly the same G load (35G to 32G, only 3G difference) to this would apply to both the Pantsir and ADATS. The main thing that completely disproves what you’re saying is that the ADATS has to manually guide their missiles, so maneuvering (even if the Pantsir had vastly worse maneuverability) in the ADATS is just objectively harder to do. Not to mention that the ADATS’s having a 33% smaller trigger radius means that you also need to be more accurate manually guiding it than the Pantsir.
“Automatic guidance misses its target.” The Pantsir uses Semi-automatic guidance and the ADATS uses manual guidance, so at least with the Pantsir you can have the choice to not manually aim it at all times. I just don’t know how what you’re saying is even an argument.
“Matra 530E has a range of 30km, must be better than AIM-9L then.” The AIM-9L is an all-aspect missile with twice the rear-aspect lock range of the 530E and twice the G load (30G compared to 15G). I don’t know what stats you’re trying to say make the Matra 530E in any way equal to the AIM-9L.
“How about AIM-54s 160km range. Must be better than AIM-7Es… oh wait.” The AIM-54C and AIM-7E have their tradeoffs stat-wise: the 54C gets a much longer launch range, a slightly higher maximum velocity, and four times the guidance time whereas the AIM-7E gets a much higher lock range and larger maximum G load. I don’t know what argument you’re trying to say, from the paper stats the AIM-54C seems to be built for BVR in RB (and I’ve never heard anyone say that the AIM-7E is better than the AIM-54C for BVR ever).
No argument you have said is valid thus far.
No, I stated TOR-M1 requires me to stay beyond 12km.
Pantsir doesn’t require me to be at any distance cause I dodge its missiles at all distances.
@ARK_BOI
Harrier works at 0.91, just easier to bleed speed.
Knowing where the jet is that you can’t hit is at best emotional damage.
And yes, Soviets should get TOR-M1, they deserve something better than Pantsir.
Just as USA deserves something better than ADATS.
@SpeclistMain
I can coach you how to defeat Pantsir, and you’ll win every time.
if you want Russian mains to lower their skills then sure (if they aren’t suck enough) because they don’t deserve anything unless ARM in the game
I mostly want spaa to be as effective at top as they are at less than 5.0.
Most miss that the main points of the Pantsir are the guns+missile combo, the op detection arc and that it doesn’t trigger any RWR warning. Also the TWS mode allows you to easily spot incoming green brackets in third person view.
Other SPAAs have this dead zone where they can’t detect air threats. Other SPAAs have no guns, so they’re vulnerable on the ground and from close range air attacks. Other SPAAs just have this old radar screen, where its easy to miss incoming threats.
And who will get benefit from the most yep, its Russia (again surprise?) unless ARM in the game then whatever reason Russia shouldn’t the only one who sit comfortably (not on my watch)