I can count how many times I died to Pantsir in random battles on 1 finger: 3 times.
Once when I was done with my CAS run in my Mirage 2000 so I was hovering over the battlefield to give any SPAA a frag before respawning in a Leclerc, and the 2nd time was in my Tornado IDS where I flew straight in for too long forgetting the BR I was playing.
And the last one was when I spawned on Sinai with a helicopter and showed myself to the enemy SPAA instead of playing like I usually do on that map, and that resulted in a death that would’ve occurred even by Roland 1.
Out of the 100+ spawns at top tier with CAS, those are the three times I died to Pantsir.
I died far more to Pantsir in custom matches as I was learning its weaknesses and strengths though.
F-15Es have fragged my jets the most in ground battles, with Su-27SM being the 2nd most lethal anti-air in my own experience; not to say either of those are the norm today.
1 : with MSC, I often see russian MBTs reloading slower than me, yet firing before me because of the overhaul added latency.
2 : Tigers at 12.0/12.3, must be
3 : Are we talking about the totally broken-don’t-do-any-damage-80%-of-the-time spike and MMP missiles ? I rather not have then and be lighter than have them ngl. Russia has proxy, especially with the BMPT and its op fire rate which can delete any low flying cas, even from 5km away. Can’t do that with bushmaster (because no proxys and slow firerate), unless the cas is close/very close.
Most NATO nations don’t even have irst on their light/ifv vehicles (hello France, hello Sweeden)
You can low fly with your jet sometimes. Can’t get irst against vehicles which don’t have irst. But Russia does have it, so you can’t low fly against Russia. Russian bias, once again.
4 : I’m having rabies because I see every game how easy Russia has it compared to NATO.
AGMs with correct lofting
Magical ammo belts that separate once its convenient
PESA radars with faster scan speed than AESAs
Quantum storage shell rooms on ships
LDIRCM emitters that can funnel a laser through the fuselage of a helicopter
Not even real life militaries can copy this advanced tech /s
1- Multiple tech trees.
2- This was on at least one NATO IFV before BMPT was added. Which probably started the whole thing.
3- This one admits it’s in many tech trees. Tornado F3 also has a faster scan rate than some AESA. ;)
4- Definitely multiple tech trees.
5- AH-64E as well. Because currently all helicopters are protected in a sphere when they shouldn’t be.
Huge coverage yes, sphere no.
“Only bad players need armor, so if you’re a good player, you don’t need armor”. I prefer being a good player and still having armor lol.
Increased ROF is false, some russian mbts have now 6sec reload as some NATO MBTs + the added latency argument I just stated. Depression doesn’t mater, Russia camp hulldown, kill everyone, cap the points at the end of the game then win OR they rush you in urban corners and delete you (no need for depression for that). I already said it. Reverse, yes ok it’s an argument, unless you’re unstoppable because of your armor and just steamroll everyone (no need to reverse in that case). Russian mbts can also smoke, turn 180 degrees and leave fast. Mobility is +/- the same the NATO mbts, I already explained that. The handling is important in close quarter fights, not important in long range fights.
Wrong, only LMUR has correct lofting/top down flight profile for helis
Wrong. AH-64E is a matter of 1° gimbal and we don’t know if the emitter can do it. Mi-28NM has a fake frontal emitter. Why lie? You already said that before and already were corrected.
We all know how busted Terminator is, there is complete another thread for crying that loud.
And now, just tell me HOW MANY USSR MBT’S HAVE PROXY AND IR TRACK combined, since that is so OP. ( not) in MBT.
And yes, Puma doesnt have Ahead, Swedish strf doesnt have proxy, KF41, Jaguar. etc.
But yes Usa is lacking ir track on vehicles what could use it, and what got that doesnt have proper ammo to use it.
Which is why Soviets are losing at the top end again. CAS reliance destroys spawn point endurance.
It’s probably close to the #1 reason I see losses across the BRs.
Single death leaving I don’t think is as big of a cause as CAS reliance.
No mention of helicopters, and that’s not a technology. “Correct” is also a goalpost shifting claim, and I’d love to see the proof that LMURs are correct. ;)
No one has ever corrected me on my statement that Mi-28NM’s coverage is incorrect.
If you think I am wrong, you’re more than welcome to prove to me and everyone else here that Mi-28NM’s LDIRCM coverage is correct.
But with myself and @H_ngma stating it’s incorrect when we have proof that it’s incorrect, I doubt you’ll prove otherwise.
Read my post again for the love of God.
You said ‘all helicopters are protected by sphere when they shouldn’t be’. This statement is likely wrong for the AH-64E, it might very well be protected by a sphere IRL. Also, Mi-28NM is NOT protected by a complete sphere in game. It has a quarter sphere looking down and backward + one looking front and up.
The one looking front and up shouldn’t exist because there’s NO emitter there.
Nope only LMUR lofts correctly
Correct is a very clear term, because every AGM besides the LMUR actually has plenty of first hand sources and videos to model the lofting trajectory after
No it wasnt and it wasnt started by it. The BMPT got it as a deliberate addition to artificially buff it.
No idea where you got that from, it does, in fact, not.
Nope all other ships are based off of real life storages and examples except one with a placeholder visual model
Nope, the 64E and Z10 both have their emitters on the wing stubs, they might not be able to cover a full sphere but they dont do quantum tunneling through the fuselage
Catagorically wrong, the T80BVM firing its top tier round which is literally mid has a 6.4 second reload and is as far as I am aware the only tank in game with a different reload due to the type of APFSDS loaded.
Alvis isn’t a russian main either mate…
They quite literally do have overlapping plates on many different parts of tanks, hence how some parts can get over 600MM of protection, it’s athe flaw of volumetric.
that same RNG is applied to literally every auto loader in game, I’ve got every high BR/ top tier auto loader and it’s the same-
Pantsir isn’t OP , it never was OP it was just miles better than the competition.
Aim properly, only APDS struggles on it, use HEAT.
Never have I seen a full team get wiped with one PE8 bomb that’s 16 kills and back in the day would be 12 kills.
Even the damn 12000LB bomb would struggle to do that from the lancaster.
A strong tank but it’s by no means OP, it’s fine at it’s BR.
Bit like MAUS dropped and ruined the BRs when it was at 7.3 but get’s rolled on at 7.7 easily.
Leopard 2a5 has
better mobility
reload
round
turret armour
optics
gen 2 commander thermals.
need i continue?
Abrams?
better mobility
reload
round
optics
and gen 2 gunner thermals & commander thermals.
The soviet heavies, which you’ve never touched, are incredibly difficult to use mate.
They have a near 30 second reload without a maxed, expert crew.
Terrible gun handling.
No armour, and literally no gun depression
Even 11.3 helis are terrible now mate.
0.4seconds is huge mate, especially considering most nato MBTs reload in 5 seconds aced and 5.3 expert that’s more than a whole second faster.
shows how little you know.
What russian MBT has IRST as well as aproxy shell?
Couldn’t say it better myself, hence why my M1A2 has a better KD than my BVM xD
Especially on the damn turret ring man, jesus shot one the other night with 3BM46 expecting it to slice through and hit the turret crew and got a “non pen”
that 5 second reload with the 2nd highest penning conventional round in game is a blessing.
What unmmatched AA, the IRIS T is the best SPAAin game followed by the CLAWS .
If players owuld stop literally shooting them in the UFP then russian MBTs would be in an even worse standing than now.
The CR2s don’t, abrams also don’t their turret armour is substantially better. the Abrams UFP is also proof to most rounds.
it’s the LFP and turret ring which shaft it.
it’s literally got 2 flaws and that is it.
CR2 you’ve never used so don’t bother to comment on it.
merkavas at least at 11.3 armour is useable and has saved me on more than one occassion
Type90s armour is pretty decent compared to what it was when I first got them.
BAck then it was literally paper and even DM13 could go clean through the turret into the ammo rack and kill the tank.
Firepower is 100 percent more important than armour at sub 1km ranges when everyones firing post 500 pen darts.
you’re using a leclerc with a middling round, but unreal mobility, and firepower. Yet complaining about russian MBTs xD
hell your overall average score per match is barely 1000 mate, hate to say it but seriously? skill issue.
