t-80bvm useless
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The reason I specifically use the T90M as an example is cause you can literally shoot through it’s roof into the crew, the dude said it can hull down better than nato tanks, which is just no true , at all.
Hull armour wise T90M out does the majority of tanks in game, so just don’t shoot it in teh UFP.
Dude also objectively ignored the fact the lelerc has
- faster reload by a lot
- susbtantially better mobility
- better optics last I checked but could be wrong.
- is far more applicable to more situations E.G can hull down better as well as brawl better due to enhanced mobility.
all top tier useless
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“Abrams has decent armor”
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I pretty much agree with everything you said except for that one. Id argue that the Leclercs are not that great hull down due to the ridiculous armor hole around the breech that directly leads into the autoloader
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Aye the breach on them is a pain but they still do pretty well hull down tbh from experience with it
Sure they do very well until youre getting shot at lol
Of course.
I’m just saying that free AA users sucking ass is far from the only reason for decrease in performance.
Plenty of nations nowadays have LDIRCM helicopters with strong IR missiles, which will definitely hurt all AAs, Pantsir included. I initially responded to a claim that Pantsir is a final boss to all helicopters, which isn’t really indicated by anything.
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Yeah full agreement there, the Pantsir is good against slow agms but any 13.0 heli player with 2 hands should be able to survive a Pantsir
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Eh they do quite well when I’ve been shot at when in them.
What always fking gets me is the fuel tank xD
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ERA has never eaten a dart. You’re speaking over-lapping plates which is on many MBTs and has nothing to do with ERA.
Autoloaders don’t have explosives in their construction.
Pantsir is a non-starter cause it came into the game after the CAS it counters were already power-crept by new CAS.
Object 279 is still over-BR’d despite some normalization from other tech trees; The fact it still shares a BR with over 10 superior vehicles is notable.
IS-7 was never OP. Pe-8 was never OP. Yak-9K being used by skilled players was a minor issue and now they’re rarely used.
Soviet MBTs are inferior to Abrams and Leopard 2A5 at the least, partially due to global mobility being incorrect.
There are NATO MBTs have IRT proxy rounds.
Fire rate in IFVs isn’t as useful as people argue.
All artillery can.
Tiger helicopters are a lower BR than AH-64E/Mi-28NM/Z-10ME, as Tigers should.
Soviet high-caliber heavies are among the most difficult to use for players.
2S38 is quite literally a bit faster Strf 9040C currently until turret rings get fixed.
Oplot is the best T-80 because it has a great round with a 6 second reload while being decently armored and the most mobile of the T-series tanks outside Chinese tanks.
Russia has never been the best since Mig-23ML’s short stint before F-4J and F-14A took over.
Edit clarified some things.
and have 5 x more death so…
Exactly my point that win rate doesn’t matter for vehicle performance.
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the only time it is when it’s stupidely high like on SPAA and the rounds glitch out the armour, like a gepard soemhow overpressuring the UFP of a Object 122 / T69 G II
hell had a falcon shred me T80B frontally the other day xD
It has the worst top tier round in the game no? I’d rather the T80U / UM2 over the oplot.
The chinese MBTs also make up for it with a nice round and optics, I absolutely love the VT4A1 even if it’s armours not as good as say, a T80BVM
hahahaha, no.
Russia was stupid strong in top ground during the patches before the new AA(Iris and co) were added. You could spawn the Su-25SM3 and the Su-34 both with KH-38MT with reduced SP cost since they didn’t share a common SP cost increase by reason of being different category of planes. KH-38 slingers were straight up unkillable by any NATO AA and KH-38 was almost impossible to intercept with stuff like ADATS or Flakrad.
Winning pretty much required spawning a super costly dedicated ASF.
Gaijin later changed that but even then, KH-38 before the new AA was stupid broken, especially since they were on the same side as the Pantsir, the best AA in the game at the time.
And now Russia has a steady 70% winrate in top bracket ground sim for months due to how overperforming their air support is.(Thanks LMUR/KH-38 combo)
Last I checked JAGM as a missile is still significantly less effective and reliable than LMUR
with it having no aspects where it outperforms LMUR
and I know neither have been changed since then
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Man I stopped reading at “oplot is the best t80 with 6sec reload” while the bvm has exactly 6sec reload as well, particularly when I read “tiger helicopters are a lower br than the others” while they’re literally at 12.7 VS 13.0 for the others, which is literally the same because you fight 95% of the time the same vehicles, as it is at top top tier.
Another russian main speaking non sense just to not admit Russia is clearly advantaged in the game, I’m tired of this
For the record :
- nato mbts don’t have “over-lapping plates” because they have butter armor penable from anything from anywhere
- there are ammunition in the russian autoloaders which are supposed to explode when hit but simple don’t 90% of the time (yes, when I hit the autoloader with a 500mm dart, I expect it to pen the autoloader then the ammunition of the other side of it)
- won’t argue the pantsir thing, pantsir is op, pantsir 2 will be even more
- try fighting a 279 with a lower br tank, good look with that you wont pen from any side
- same with is-7 ; Pe-8 was op back in the days because it was the only plane with the big bomb capable of killing the entire team with 1 single bomb, as if it was a troll plane more than anything (as I stated, pls read me before making me say the same thing over and over again) ; “yak-9k is rarely used, hard to use, not op because needs to be used by skill players” ok ragebait
- “Soviet MBTs are inferior to Abrams and Leopard 2A5 at the least, partially due to global mobility being incorrect” => already explained t series had +/- the same mobility at top tier in mid fight and how, please read up there
- there are even more nato mbts without irst / proxy / atgms, look at the french
- “Fire rate in IFVs isn’t as useful as people argue.” ok ragebait, that’s literally why the bushmaster is garbage compared to russian counterpart (not the only reason, but the main reason). I mean look at how much time you need to destroy a light of russian mbt from the side with that crap autocannon, it’s like 4-5 seconds and you shoot everywhere (half the time, the eras eat the darts like 3-4 times for no reason at all). With russia autocannons, it’s simple : hold the click 0.5sec, the ennemy is dead (sometimes even from the front wtf).
- “All artillery can” => PLEASE you’re comparing 5sec reload artillery vehicles VS the bmd which can fire super quick with the he round AND the drone (not all arti vehicle has a drone). BMD is literraly better in every way. Try killing someone with the french arty vehicle, which doesn’t even have a drone and shoots extremely slow. Just look at loner videos to understand what I mean man.
- already said what I thought about tiger helicopters : 12.7 is way too high for them. 12.0 would be good. Worst scenario, 12.3.
- “Soviet high-caliber heavies are among the most difficult to use for players.” ok ragebait, guess having a very good pen heavy is bad in ur head
- already said what I thought about the oplot as well
Bottom line : Russia has all the advantages on purpose, and we all know why.
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6.4 while using 3BM60. What is told you numerous times.
Nope, just no room for any F&F helo on 12.0, and after those dropped to 12.7, used my german 12.7 lineup and it was 80% games 12.7
yeah sadly abrams is missing that, and it got best proxy shell for job.
Yeah, tell us how many USSR mbt’s have IR track and ProxyHe shell or timefuze?
And I can allready tell that it doesnt have good enough gunhandling to use it , unless facing slowmoving/hovering helo.
I can tell that merkavas won in that update when they got that ir track
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1 : Who cares about 0.4s. With the enormous servers ping, the latency from your monitor, gpu rendering the images, keyboard + mouse, your own body responding +/- faster, the time you need to spot an ennemy if this is a long range fight, your own ping depending on your Internet and localisation and sometimes even the latency of upscaling + framegen for the people using them, 0.4sec is absolutely nothing and unoticeable. 6.4sec = 6sec, period. It’s not like it was 6sec vs 8 sec. Beside, for other rounds, it’s still 6 sec.
2 : First, 12.7 top tier vehicles = +/- 13.0 top tier vehicles, they’re the same, no one cares.
Second, as a reminder for everyone :
Tiger helicopters, if BRed at 13.0 as a base, should go :
- -0.3 => 12.7 because their FnF missiles go 7/8km max range VS 16km for the AH/Mi/Z10 (Z10 even has 25km range atgms lol)
- -0.3 => 12.3 because they can only cary 8 FnF missiles max VS 8 or 16 for Mi/AH/Z10
- -0.3 => 12.0 ONLY for the EC-665 Tiger HAC and EC-665 Tiger UHT because they don’t have a 20/30mm main gun (hell, the EC-665 Tiger HAC isn’t even able to carry the 12.7mm of the UHT)
- Debatable, but +0.3 because Tigers are more mobile than AH/Mi/Z10, even if meh because they climb slower than them.
So overhaul, they should go to 12.0 or 12.3.
3 : Russia has numerous vehicles with IRST : MBT + light tanks + IFV. They also have HE shells, proxy and ATGMs shells. Numerous NATO MBTs have none of those HE shells / proxy / atgms (none has atgms if I recall). So Russia has them all throughout the BRs, and some NATO nations simply have none. Unfair, unbalanced (hello France).
Please, quit DE-FEN-DING Russia at all costs, because objectively, you will never find the good arguments to say NATO is better than Russia, because it is simply not. Stop trying to justify the unjustifiable
NATO is not flat out better than Russia, but Russia is also not flat out better than NATO.
Russian MBTs are still at best middle of the pack, meanwhile all of the best MBTs are NATO.
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