People are already reporting OHKing BMPTs by shooting their missiles.
That said, even if ammo belts were fixed it’ll never go down to a BR where it’s weaponry will be anything more than anemic.
Light tank that relies on it’s armor is a very weird concept.
Light tank namer 30
Light tank namer tsrikhon
Which makes just as little sense as the current ammo belt implementation and is a pure dice roll.
I kinda doubt that. The initial 10.3 placement was for sure mainly because on the dev hitting the belt would actually destroy the BMPT making it vastly less survivable compared to the live version.
Sure but the current descriptions make very little sense in the context of modern vehicles anyway. A Puma is only 3 tons lighter than the T80BVM or take the Namer for example. And both of these also carry anti tank missiles and have Autocannons that are on paper more suited to fight MBTs but they arent classified as missile carrying TDs.
Took out my spaded Su-30SM2 out for CAS in GRB for the first time this morning and damn that thing is dirty.
I can only imagine. Switching from CAS in the EFT or Gripen to the Rafale already feels like stress relieve therapy. The same with better missiles and without the danger of Pantsir SM SVs must feel like holiday in a 5 star resort.
Still not worth having to deal with ru teammates. Same at 11.3. Id rather cope with sidearms and agm65s. But with somewhat competent teams.
Sort of. But even with harms they arent that hard to deal with imo. Let alone chinese/japanese kh31 with sustainers that keep them going at high speeds. Probably best addition of this update.
Why give a vehicle meant to directly engage enemies that pose a threat to tanks scouting as if it were some sort of forward recon vehicle?
Because most modern light tanks we have in game are not recon vehicles? And the BMPTs weapons are not made to directly engage the enemies it faces in war thunder.
They also fit better in the ATGM category than in LT one.
I highly doubt that a single belt change is worth 1.3 BR in it’s current state.
At this point making a new category named “support vehicle” or something would offer a much better insight of the vehicle’s performance. All lights and ATGMs of the modern era should be placed there.
But I guess Gaijin picks their description as they seem fit. (TAM)
Tank damage model is a standardized thing in War Thunder, vehicle production for War Thunder would be far too expensive otherwise.
If they’re broken for BMPT, they’re broken on everything, because War Thunder doesn’t have vehicle-specific things.
Overlapping plates? That impacts over 400 vehicles.
ERA? Over 50.
Good armor? Over 100.
All the weird things about BMPT are on dozens to hundreds of other tanks…
“Spall blocking plates” is over 100 MBTs in-game from all 10 tech trees… not Russian.
NATO has the same OP helis.
SPAA can’t be OP because they’re victims.
NATO has the same OP CAS.
The best IFVs aren’t in Soviets.
Praising Soviet vehicles is defending those vehicles.
Probably not 1.3 steps since 10.3 is insanely low but 11.0 with stuff like the VJTF and the Namer would be ok
Absolutely. The current differentiation of vehicles and the allocation of stuff like artillery, scouting and ammo boxes makes sense for WW2 stuff and to a degree Cold War vehicles like the pure missile tanks but for modern vehicles it’s just arbitrary at this point.
I don’t know, I’d say it could go down to 11.3 just fine though. At that BR it’s weaponry would still be meh.
Those classes are just another archaic mechanic left from golden WW2 days. Ammo boxes should be a default for all modern vehicles with ATGMs like PUMA and company. Scouting is an awful mechanic in my opinion, which should be removed or completely reworked so all those support vehicles can get it.
@AlvisWisla I dont even wanna waste my time with your intentional misunderstand and reframing. I’ve dealt with your unfaithful behavior far too long already. Take a note out of @H_ngma_’s playbook and actually read what people are saying before simply spouting nonsense that has nothing to do with what their/im even arguing at all.
It’s crap like this that people see and nobody takes you seriously:
I literally never said this.
This is so unbelievably untrue i dont even have to say anything about it, like what…?
Again… What are you even saying?
there is no way you actually believe this because nobody does. There is such a massive CAS, and SPAA disparity in this game its actually a joke.
stop the cope for the love of god.
I am not defending russia, I am defending NATO and advocating up for the proper implementation of NATO gear and weaponry in the game so that it not only becomes more realistic but also becomes more fair. Russian everything including their MBTs are overperforming and they need to NOT be…
You are perfectly capable of understanding what im saying, but you you choose not to because are incapable of debating in good faith so you just reframe what im saying into “youre defending russia”
For the last time, i cant stand russia, i cant stand the favoritism gaijin applies to russian gear… everything that nation has is nearly fantasy levels of combat effectiveness. Russia is WAYYY TOO STRONG AND IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS WAY.
One more time so you understand: I am defending NATO buffs, and Russian nerfs. You have tried to derail conversation this exact way before and trust me the community knows that this is what you do. Look on reddit or even other forum posts and it is message after message clowning you for doing crap like this. You are a well known russia shill who will do anything including derailing good faith argumentation to keep your precious russia at the top.
You are now blocked. i hope i never have to read anything from you again.
Thats why i said 11.0 might be fine. Fixing the belts would reduce its survivability by a big margin and bring it more in line with its lackluster armament.
Hm maybe but im sceptical about giving vehicles with Spikes especially ones like the Freccia with 6 access to ammo boxes.
I think its an alright mechanic giving some viability to vehicles that would otherwise be insanely useless (or insanely broken) in war thunder.
Its kinda consistent tho. Afaik all modern vehicles that would fit the support vehicle description have access to scouting rather than ammo boxes, its just the BMPT that gets the cold war missile TD designation for some reason. Even the QN506 which is basically a Temu BMPT is classified as a light tank.
btw, Alvis is not one of us
He’s his own thing
Think Gaijin will ever fix the Su-30 Spam? Can a Gaijin rep explain to me why a Tornado GR.4 has a the same BR in ground battles as a Su-30 premium?
Flight performance - Tornado obviously
Weapons - 2 Aim 9M are incredible…
Ground attack - Duh Brimstones are the best ground attack weapon.
All top or near to tier is this select your T-80UE or BMP-T proceed to get half a kill and a cap and then spawn your Su-30AMV and win the game.
Great gameplay
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