BMPT at 11.7 June 2026
BMPT at 10.3 from Dec 2025
Murica bias?
easy solution would be to give germany maus in TT at 8BR and leo2a8 (or 2a7a1) at Top or give leos aced 5sec reload too and BMPT down to 11.3
and better CAS/SPAA for NATO
there is no “giving better spaa for nato” adding another gimped system wont do anything we literelly have SAMPT already and its worse than a pantsir lmao.
Bmpt cannot go to 11.3. It will clober most 10.3s with ease.
Germany doesn’t need the Leo 2s to be buffed, they need more lineup depth by getting more uparmoered Leo 2s like the 2A7+, 2A6EX etc.
Nope, after what it has done over the past 6 months it’s fine that it’s not very good now for a while.
its still extremely good, the players are just crap so now that its slightly worse its perfoming worse than it should be
At 11.7 it simply isn’t, especially premium one.
Its precisely in the spot where its weapons are overtiered as hell but the armor and survivability is still too good for the BR, which is what everyone with half a brain predicted would happen when they added that thing.
Gaijin either needs to fix the belts and put that thing back to a BR where it can do its job as an “anti tank missile carrier” or get rid of that stupid label, give it scouting and put it at 12.0 with the HSTVL.
Yeah see stuff like this is insane… and people like RENZO over here think thats perfectly fine to have hidden freakin plating that eats spalll in russian tanks.
wont find stuff like this in NATO mbts i can tell you that much… certainly not to the extent of russia
He doesnt. He just thinks that russian tanks having this doesnt automatically mean that they are better than other tanks, which is completely valid. If instead of saying “russian tanks are broken” youd say “russian tanks damage models are broken” then hed 100% agree with you.
THIS SHOULDNT BE HAPPENING PERIOD… What part of this do you not understand. IF ONE NATION SPECIFICALLY HAS A TON OF TANKS WITH THESE DAMAGE MODELS THAT YOU YOURSELF SAY ARE “BROKEN DAMAGE MODELS” AND DONT PRODUCE INTERNAL DAMAGE… THAT POINTS TO A UNREALISTIC AND UNWARRENTED ADVANTAGE TO THOSE SPECIFIC TANKS.
LIKE HOW ARE YOU GUYS CONSTANTLY CONTRADICTING YOURSELVES AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE SAME “OH THEIR NOT OP”
im actually gonna lose it if i continue this conversation like WHAT AM I EVEN READING RN
Dude we understand that.
But a broken damage model does not necessarily mean that the vehicle is broken in a gamplay/balance sense.
Someting can be artificially pampered in game to be better (as is the case with all russian top tier equipment) and still be worse than the artificially nerfed equipment of the competition (as is the case with some russian top tier equipment, the tanks for example).
Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
So what your saying is the artificially buffed russian MBTS with hidden spall bloicking plates in the trunnions and turret compartment, pairrd with the CAS you admit is OP, the SPAA you admit is OP, the Helis you admit is OP, the IFVS you admit are OP… all of this: arent as good as just the abrams by itself? thats really what your saying right now?
Because even as bad as the abrams is… ITS ALL AMERICA has thats even somewaht useable… their cas cant do anything bc of pantsirs, their Ifvs cant pen russian basically anything, even the TOW2b is nerfed to dogwater. Their SPAA doesnt ahve the range or radars to get anywhere near the combat effectiveness of Russian ones.
so your logic is…
Russian MBTs with artifically buffed and biased damage models, Overperforming Cas, insane SPAA, crazy helis, missiles, and IFVS are all a big fat “less-than <” sign next to the Abrams.
im sorry but nobody is gonna believe that, nor do the stats show that. Russia dominates nearly every game, thank god the new abrams came out to SORTA even the playing field hence why you see higher winrates on those sepv3s but those just came out and the stats are scewed
i will say H_ngma_ at least you debate in good faith, thank you for articulating yourself and being somewhat fair, even though i disgree with your main point. i can respect someone who doesnt jsut shout skill issue at everything
No that is not what im saying. Im saying that the russian MBTs with their artificially buffed damage models are worse than the artificially nerfed Nato tanks (with certain exceptions of course). Just tanks, no mention of overall linup strength.
For the whole lineup its absolutely a different question. The russian lineup was 100% the strongest for a good portion of 2025 and 26. We will see whether the US buffs were enough to dethrone it long term.
Well the problem is that when you say “russian MBTs are too strong” you open yourself up to just being shut down with the skill issue comment. Meanwhile if you argue with an objective point like “russian MBTs are profiting from more than questionable modeling choices” then that is a point completely independent of the skill level of the person making the argument.
well from my point of view… you essentially just admitted russian mbts are too strong… because they are… they are artificially buffed with “more than questionable modeling choices” as you said. Meaning they are stonger than they should be. IE… they are TOO strong.
And to that point, even if they were nerfed to be realistically damaged (how they should be)… with the rest of the lineup ALSO being as strong as they are (CAS, SPAA, HELIS, ETC, as you admitted to them being)… im pretty sure the rest of their lineup can pick up the slack. i mean the bmpt alone was dominating for nearly a year. And im aware thats changing with abrams volumetric changes, but this is the history i have to gleen from at this point. and it aint looking too fair tbh
but hey at least you admit this and that ill take. because to argue against this is crazy. I still think the point about specifically their MBTs is moot but yeah the lineup in totality is UNDOUBTEDLY OP.
Yes they are too strong compared to what they should be if the game was more realistic. But they are not too strong compared to the powerlevel of the other MBTs in the game.
Well thats the big question, innit? That was true for most of the recent past and well see if the US buffs are enough to alter the balance long term, the stats look very promising at least.
It got added in mid December tho?
Most people “admit” that. Except for absolute die hard russia players everyone agrees that the broken CAS+SPAA combo carried russian top tier for a long time. People just take issue with overhyping the powerlevel of russian MBTs.
oh did it? felt like so much longer bc of how genuinely aids it was. lmao, my b.
i should mention too though that before the bmpt it was the 2s38 dominating every game…
Yep, December 16th 2025.
The Day The World Stood Still…