Russian Bias in 2026?

[An_Pigeon]

@Jεcka

Don’t worry about it is all I can say for now, just sit back and relax

You got it hoss o7

NOW what do you think, is the T80UE1 better than the T84

[Jεcka]

Lol yeah it is, I kill T-84s with the 30mm Boxer before they they can react, I usually die to T-80Us because muh damage model.

Vs MBTs, the T-84 is vastly worse due to its armor, vs lights, also.

[Whisloy]

@An_Pigeon

Which is why if you look. chinese Oplot squadron has worse overall stats VS the TT version from the Japanese tree.

You used premium T-80U stats as proof it’s better than squad and techree T-84 so you knew you being dishonest here.

@Jεcka

Literally the only reason why we don’t have ANY anti-ERA, was because the Russian players (both on the ENG and RUS forums) cried bloody tears back before New Power went live, for it to be removed. Otherwise Gaijin would likely do vastly more research into the topic, and we’d have answers that don’t require certain people to leak things.

Hmmm yeah Anti-ERA capabilities for kinetic ofc something that never existed in game shureley not because of this completley usless upgrade.

Spoiler

[Jεcka]

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“cumulativeDamageMult”: 3.0
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“relativeVelHitShift”: [300.0,1000.0],
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“damage”: {
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},

Cope?

[An_Pigeon]

@Jεcka

Lol yeah it is, I kill T-84s with the 30mm Boxer before they they can react, I usually die to T-80Us because muh damage model.

Vs MBTs, the T-84 is vastly worse due to its armor, vs lights, also.

The T-84 for me is just a sad mess they through into the game to try and grab some attention and claim Japan was getting something at top tier, but the T84 could easily be 12.0 and still not even be the best one.

@Whisloy

You used premium T-80U stats as proof it’s better than squad and techree T-84 so you knew you being dishonest here.

What are you on about, there are literally 5 statcards posted

• 2 of which are the T84 Oplots one being the tech tree variant and the other being the squadron
• there is all 3 variants of the T80U, UE1 and UE1 anime one.
• All of which reflect the previous points made of the T84 is worse thant he T80UE1.

@Jεcka

Cope?

Took the words clean out my mouth lol

[Crazed_Otter]

Oh hey Beaker. What’s up?

Whisloy upon noticing a gap in a Russian Bias thread. - Colourised

[Jεcka]

@An_Pigeon

The T-84 for me is just a sad mess they through into the game to try and grab some attention and claim Japan was getting something at top tier, but the T84 could easily be 12.0 and still not even be the best one.

I wanted to grind the T-84 in the JP TT, but gave up after seeing just how bad it is.

Its only actual positive over the T-80U is the reverse, but aside from that I can’t think of any as the difference between the rounds is basically non-existent, it shouldn’t be 12.3 - especially when we have the T-72B3M at 11.3, and the T-80UE at 12.0

[Ralin]

@Jεcka

RHM stated outright DM53/63 defeat “Double-action Heavy ERA”. There’s only two ways to interpret it, either flyer plate + explosion ERA, or double flyer-plate ERA - i’d wager the first, since that’s exactly what Kontakt-5 is, and what RHM has had worked on, as they have had Kontakt-5 ever since 1987’ish.

But that doesn’t mean the DM53 can penetrate any armor (of any thickness) with a K-5, right?

That’s a pretty abstract statement.

In the game, the DM53 already penetrates the T-80U/T-72B at close range.

@Jεcka

DM53 works the same way Tandem-ATGMs do. Take their performance, apply it to DM53. Simple, right? Or maybe you can’t comprehend it?

Documents for the 829A3 showed a 20-25% increase in penetration over the ERA.

This isn’t a significant result (because it compared a thicker, tipped projectile to a shorter, thinner one).

@Jεcka

How is this relevant? Gaijin was planning to make it “anti-ERA”, but the Russian forum cried and that was thrown out the window, we have datamines from 2020 showing the code was in the game for it lol

Why do you attribute any changes to someone’s wishes?

Did the MiG-23’s radar get a degrade due to player complaints?
No, documents were provided. (Just an example off the top of my head.)

[Jεcka]

@Ralin

But that doesn’t mean the DM53 can penetrate any armor (of any thickness) with a K-5, right?

From RHM tests, T-80U’s turret at its thickest part(s) with K-5 from around 2.5’ish km’s ;)

Documents for the 829A3 showed a 20-25% increase in penetration over the ERA.

No, what they showed was this:

An increased performance AFTER defeating ERA, i.e vastly less of the main rod getting mauled by the flyer plate. Conclusion was that the M829A3 in the end defeats Kontakt-5, even though the premise, i.e the rod being only as long as M829A2, was wrong.

This isn’t a significant result (because it compared a thicker, tipped projectile to a shorter, thinner one).

?

Why do you attribute any changes to someone’s wishes?

Because that was the reason, lol.

[Whisloy]

@Jεcka

Cope?

So is this a proof or something ? Anything else ? Like devs saying they would add anti-ERA capabilities for DM53 ?

@An_Pigeon

All of which reflect the previous points made of the T84 is worse thant he T80UE1.

Yeah and you used it as proof knowing exitance of this pattern which means you being dishonest.

[Ralin]

@An_Pigeon

is not” Community Bug Reporting System Just because gaijin decree a highly classified armour array is fine doesn’t mean it is.

Check out the Oplot thread; I discussed various assessments there at length.

In the end, while I believe a slight boost might be appropriate, there’s not enough evidence to support it.

[Jεcka]

@Whisloy

So is this a proof or something ? Anything else ? Like devs saying they would add anti-ERA capabilities for DM53 ?

That was the datamine for DM53 & Kontakt-5 from before New Power went live, yes, they had the intention of adding it - and the Kontakt-5 was only supposed to be 40% as effective versus DM53 as when compared to other APFSDS.

You can either remain ignorant, or take the evidence that’s being shown to you, that I gracefully saved, exactly for people like you.

[Whisloy]

@Jεcka

You can either remain ignorant, or take the evidence that’s being shown to you, that I gracefully saved, exactly for people like you.

So yeah i was right it never existed in the game.

[Ralin]

@Jεcka

From RHM tests, T-80U’s turret at its thickest part(s) with K-5 from around 2.5’ish km’s ;)

I haven’t seen anything like this, so I can’t say.

When/if this can be used may change.

@Jεcka

An increased performance AFTER defeating ERA

I understand that, but it doesn’t mean a huge increase.

You can do some math to make it easier.

@Jεcka

?

Well, they compared projectile X and projectile Y, to which they added a tip and thickness to the main body.

Obviously, the second one will penetrate more simply due to its thickness and tip (the projectile is longer).

[Jεcka]

To begin with, I never said it was in the game, I said:

Gaijin was planning to make it “anti-ERA”, but the Russian forum cried and that was thrown out the window, we have datamines from 2020 showing the code was in the game for it lol

Can you read?

[Whisloy]

@Jεcka

Can you read?

@Whisloy

Hmmm yeah Anti-ERA capabilities for kinetic ofc something that never existed in game shureley not because of this completley usless upgrade.

Same question for you my argument was around people being quite unhappy about “New Power” and its because of 3BM42M not anti-ERA capabilites which was never implemented.

[Jεcka]

@Ralin

When/if this can be used may change.

Try 2031.

You can do some math to make it easier.

It is a huge difference, as it removes uncertainty - we’re both talking about the same source, and said source agrees that M829A2 was a “brute force solution” already, meaning that the US Army only began M829A3s development for the purposes of turning a % of failure into an absence of failure.

Obviously, the second one will penetrate more simply due to its thickness and tip (the projectile is longer).

5 to 10% if no ERA is available.

The tip is what makes the difference if ERA is present.

Again, however, some assumptions were wrong on the UTTT’s part.

[Jεcka]

@Whisloy

Same question for you my argument was around people being quite unhappy about “New Power” and its because of 3BM42M not anti-ERA capabilites which was never implemented.

Your argument being… a goalpost. 3BM-42M had nothing to do with anti-ERA and why it wasn’t implemented.

3BM-42M back then was as good vs Leopard 2s as BM-60 is today too.

[Whisloy]

@Jεcka

Your argument being… a goalpost. 3BM-42M had nothing to do with anti-ERA and why it wasn’t implemented.

3BM-42M back then was as good vs Leopard 2s as BM-60 is today too.

Stop makeing up stuff people were upset that was completley usless upgrade compared to DM53 and M829A1.

[Jεcka]

@Whisloy

Stop makeing up stuff people were upset that was completley usless upgrade compared to DM53 and M829A1.

Has nothing to do with DM53’s anti-ERA and why it wasn’t added. Another day, another Whisloy goalpost classic.