You used premium T-80U stats as proof it’s better than squad and techree T-84 so you knew you being dishonest here.
Hmmm yeah Anti-ERA capabilities for kinetic ofc something that never existed in game shureley not because of this completley usless upgrade.
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“ERA_K_V”: {
“armorThickness”: 1.0,
“armorThrough”: 1.0,
“restrainDamage”: 0.5,
“createSecondaryShatters”: false,
“ricochetAngle”: 70.0,
“ricochetCosinePower”: 3.0,
“ricochetDamage”: 0.0001,
“cumulativeArmorQuality”: 4.5,
“genericArmorQuality”: 1.7,
“genericLongRodArmorQuality”: 0.4,
“cumulativeDamageMult”: 3.0
},
},
“120mm_DM_APDS_FS”: {
“bullet”: {
“bulletCount”: 25,
“mass”: 5.0,
“caliber”: 0.12,
“damageCaliber”: 0.023,
“ballisticCaliber”: 0.023,
“speed”: 1750.0,
“Cx”: 0.74,
“maxDistance”: 10000.0,
“normalizationPreset”: “default”,
“ricochetPreset”: “apds_fs_long”,
“secondaryShattersPreset”: “apds_fs_long”,
“stabilityThreshold”: 0.0,
“stabilityCaliberToArmorThreshold”: 10.0,
“stabilityReductionAfterRicochet”: 0.1,
“stabilityReductionAfterPenetration”: 0.05,
“bulletType”: “apds_fs_long_tank”,
“slopeEffectPreset”: “apds_fs_long”,
“fresnel”: [0.23,0.1,2.0],
“bulletName”: “120mm_dm53”,
“onHitChanceMultExplFuel”: 0.1,
“relativeVelHitShift”: [300.0,1000.0],
“relativeVelArmorShift”: [200.0,1000.0],
“ricochetEffect”: “cannon_ricochet”,
“waterCollisionEffect”: “120-203_water_splash”,
“waterFxScale”: [0.8,1.0],
“explosionPatchRadius”: 1.5,
“stabilityRicochetModifier”: [
{
“mod1”: [0.0,0.25]
},
{
“mod2”: [20.0,0.3]
},
{
“mod3”: [30.0,0.45]
},
{
“mod3”: [45.0,0.5]
},
{
“mod4”: [50.0,0.7]
}
],
“tracePattern”: {
“caliber”: 10.0,
“circleCount”: 2,
“pointCount”: 6
},
“damage”: {
“kinetic”: {
“damageType”: “genericLongRod”
}
},
Cope?
The T-84 for me is just a sad mess they through into the game to try and grab some attention and claim Japan was getting something at top tier, but the T84 could easily be 12.0 and still not even be the best one.
What are you on about, there are literally 5 statcards posted
Took the words clean out my mouth lol
Oh hey Beaker. What’s up?
Whisloy upon noticing a gap in a Russian Bias thread. - Colourised
I wanted to grind the T-84 in the JP TT, but gave up after seeing just how bad it is.
Its only actual positive over the T-80U is the reverse, but aside from that I can’t think of any as the difference between the rounds is basically non-existent, it shouldn’t be 12.3 - especially when we have the T-72B3M at 11.3, and the T-80UE at 12.0
But that doesn’t mean the DM53 can penetrate any armor (of any thickness) with a K-5, right?
That’s a pretty abstract statement.
In the game, the DM53 already penetrates the T-80U/T-72B at close range.
Documents for the 829A3 showed a 20-25% increase in penetration over the ERA.
This isn’t a significant result (because it compared a thicker, tipped projectile to a shorter, thinner one).
Why do you attribute any changes to someone’s wishes?
Did the MiG-23’s radar get a degrade due to player complaints?
No, documents were provided. (Just an example off the top of my head.)
From RHM tests, T-80U’s turret at its thickest part(s) with K-5 from around 2.5’ish km’s ;)
Documents for the 829A3 showed a 20-25% increase in penetration over the ERA.
No, what they showed was this:
An increased performance AFTER defeating ERA, i.e vastly less of the main rod getting mauled by the flyer plate. Conclusion was that the M829A3 in the end defeats Kontakt-5, even though the premise, i.e the rod being only as long as M829A2, was wrong.
This isn’t a significant result (because it compared a thicker, tipped projectile to a shorter, thinner one).
?
Why do you attribute any changes to someone’s wishes?
Because that was the reason, lol.
So is this a proof or something ? Anything else ? Like devs saying they would add anti-ERA capabilities for DM53 ?
Yeah and you used it as proof knowing exitance of this pattern which means you being dishonest.
Check out the Oplot thread; I discussed various assessments there at length.
In the end, while I believe a slight boost might be appropriate, there’s not enough evidence to support it.
That was the datamine for DM53 & Kontakt-5 from before New Power went live, yes, they had the intention of adding it - and the Kontakt-5 was only supposed to be 40% as effective versus DM53 as when compared to other APFSDS.
You can either remain ignorant, or take the evidence that’s being shown to you, that I gracefully saved, exactly for people like you.
So yeah i was right it never existed in the game.
I haven’t seen anything like this, so I can’t say.
When/if this can be used may change.
I understand that, but it doesn’t mean a huge increase.
You can do some math to make it easier.
Well, they compared projectile X and projectile Y, to which they added a tip and thickness to the main body.
Obviously, the second one will penetrate more simply due to its thickness and tip (the projectile is longer).
To begin with, I never said it was in the game, I said:
Gaijin was planning to make it “anti-ERA”, but the Russian forum cried and that was thrown out the window, we have datamines from 2020 showing the code was in the game for it lol
Can you read?
Same question for you my argument was around people being quite unhappy about “New Power” and its because of 3BM42M not anti-ERA capabilites which was never implemented.
Try 2031.
You can do some math to make it easier.
It is a huge difference, as it removes uncertainty - we’re both talking about the same source, and said source agrees that M829A2 was a “brute force solution” already, meaning that the US Army only began M829A3s development for the purposes of turning a % of failure into an absence of failure.
Obviously, the second one will penetrate more simply due to its thickness and tip (the projectile is longer).
5 to 10% if no ERA is available.
The tip is what makes the difference if ERA is present.
Again, however, some assumptions were wrong on the UTTT’s part.
Your argument being… a goalpost. 3BM-42M had nothing to do with anti-ERA and why it wasn’t implemented.
3BM-42M back then was as good vs Leopard 2s as BM-60 is today too.
Stop makeing up stuff people were upset that was completley usless upgrade compared to DM53 and M829A1.
Has nothing to do with DM53’s anti-ERA and why it wasn’t added. Another day, another Whisloy goalpost classic.
It’s sad. However, there are also “open” brochures/books.
I’m skeptical of everything until I see confirmation of one opinion or another.
Could you, for example, calculate it?
Give some estimates based on the data?
but this is not so little, considering the overall growth of around 20%.
It’s strange that you only see one side of the coin.
I believe the assumptions about the T-90M’s -15 reverse speed and the BVM’s -25 reverse speed are incorrect.
I’m very skeptical that the Su-30SM2 is equipped with the N035 and Al-41 (at least in any production form).
But I’m also skeptical about many other things.
Oh yeah next time try to see difference between T-72A and T-72B
