610*1.1 increase from the steel tip - 30% of ERA’s potency - > ~670’ish pen versus ~600’ish mm of armor.
For WT, this is as simplified as it goes, as in the game ERA has a fixed level of protection, and it doesn’t ‘degrade’ KEP in any way.
For reference, ~650mm for DM53 versus K-5 with only 40% of its “base protection” + T-80U would’ve resulted in 650mm pen versus 580’ish mm of armor.
this is already taking into account the tip…
But the T-80U has 630mm of armor…
I don’t mind, but you try to calculate for yourself how long the penetrator should be to produce such results at 1555 m/s
And how did you calculate this?
Because this is M829A3 without the tip.
@Ralin since you’re here anyway, I wanted to ask whether you know a reason for the outer horizontal-drive part on T-64A(1971) to do nothing?
I did some testing and it turns out that destroying this part doesnt disable the horizontal-drive, the ring and manual crank do however.
On T-72A, which has a similar composition, it’s essentially the other way around, where the ring + outer drive disable the horizontal-drive, but the manual crank doesnt.
Is this intentional or can I bug-report it given that on other MBTs the manual drives are not separated from the motorized drives - and having the manual one be what affects the drive-mechanism over the motorized one seems rather odd (in case of T-64A).
I used LO. Penetrator dimensions are mentioned in that document.
I don’t know why people get mad at those who try to calculate this.
I tried it and don’t understand what penetrator size I need to set to achieve high penetration.
I think it’s worth reporting this.
Do so and send it to me.
Obviously, damage to any part should block targeting.
That’s without the tip then.
How do you arrive at 610mm pen WITH the tip?
Where did you get such a long penetrator?
This is the same penetrator as M829A2s…
Question is… what KIND OF assumptions did you have to take to arrive at 610mm with the tip, because it seems like you were going out of your way to absolutely low-ball it.
Well technically there was no difference between Mango-M and Mango so no point adding it.
Dude you makeing up story to blame people that have no power here that its their fault that your dream world never came.
Oooh oooh! I Know - sticks up hand.
Was it a report from the Tomsk Tractor Factory that said it couldn’t according to Soviet Sources?
From the same place presumably that said that M735 should be made out of rubber…
How many years has it been since the M735 nerf and Gaijin’s “promise” to fix it? Like 3 by now?
I hate to play devils advocate for Gaijin, but vehicles take more than 2.5 months to develop. So what you just said is delusional
Gaijin likely either started or speed up development the moment they added the BUK and saw it’s performance statistics.
The obvious question being (not aimed at you btw). Why not just FIX what was already in the game then - rather than give a certain tech tree ANOTHER new toy that throws the game balance out of kilter.?
This directly states the length is GREATER than 630mm, you do know what “>” means?
The tip is a solid steel construction with a length “greater than 100 mm”, while the main penetrator has a length of “about 630 mm, preferably greater than about 650 mm, and more preferably greater than about 670 mm”.
This was even stated in the very same document.
M829A3 also has an in-flight weight of 7.2kg, so a 630x25mm projectile would be way too short to weigh that much, even with a 100mm steel tip, the tracer, and the fin assembly - it would be short by about a kilogram.
A 630x25mm rod is 5.75kg in weight, a steel tip from maraging steel is 380g, we’re at 6.1kg, fin assembly + tracer will amount for about 200g (likely less), so yeah, we’re way too short of the reported 7.2kg in-flight weight.
Even a 690x25mm projectile is 320g too light, unless we assume the steel tip is longer than 100mm.
i said added. it was probably in development much longer.
the puma model/image was leaked years before it came to the game
pretty sure the f35 f22 are either in the works or possible even done, does not mean it will come next patch
and has a said before they could just have given it 1 or 2 types of missiles and it would probably be fine but nope they had to give it the entire load of 3 different missiles
Of course, but I used estimates that are clearly known.
I’m confused about the length of a round with a 690mm penetrator and a 100-150mm tip (I’ve seen different estimates).
You agree, right, that we don’t have clear data on a 690mm penetrator?
These are good observations, I will try to calculate the weight carefully.
Translation - you guessed and made it up.
You ever wonder why people don’t take you too seriously on this forum?
He himself has used the 690 value before
