3 the 3BM46 is not a bad round at all and is marginally worse than the BTA4 lol.
4 it has worse forward mobility than the T80U as well.
5 worse optics than the T80U.
6 worse turret traverse as well.
Considering that the Oplot is an end of line MBT which is supposed to be a top tier contender. it’s a pathetic round to give it.
OR are you gonna tell me that the 3BM46 round is lacking massively here? T80U-E1 arguably is better than the oplot.
EDIT: Lastly there isn’t really a 12.3 lineup for japan either, so you are pretty much exclusively stuck at 12.7 with the tank.
For china it does have some vehicles to use alongside it at 12.3 but they are objectively better so it’s pointless to waste teh squadron points on the T84
Oplot’s round is better in point blank range while differences become much more narrow with every single distance, not to mention OPLOT pays heavy price to get access to that round compare to T-80U-E1.
It’s still not been worht it for me to get it for 1 Japan cause they ahve such a small top tier, and 2 for China at 12.3 I just use the VT4 , WZ1001 and ZTZ96B over it.
I mean I likely will get it for china just to stop using 11.0s at those Brs but I really don’t see the big jump.
Especially seeing as said 11.0s have access to better armour, rounds, proxy, CITV , gen 2 thermals etc etc.
Apologies forgot the T80U- E1 was 12.0.
You mean carousel auto loaders then don’t you.
Sorry but a CITV is not useless lol-
The literal protection of the oplot has been proven in reports to be substantially worse than it is IRL.
Which also shows it under performing compared to the Soviet counterparts.
You can pretty much fire clean through an Oplot with any top tier round mate.
There’s a reason why there are so few of them on the battlefield.
Okay, but what you say is merely your opinion on the matter.
The oplot is 1 a higher Br than the T80U E1 and 2 lacking in more areas than the 80U E1.
You can with M829A2 or DM53. go clean through the UFP last I checked on the T84 as well.
EDIT : just to show this, the T80UE1 being a premiun which is spammed constantly by scrubs, is keeping up with the oplot which is played by both japan and china statswise.
just for a buzz threw the regular T80U in there as well. Which is near on par with the chinese T84 lol-
I wouldn’t bother trying to argue semantics with ralin. He spent most of an entire thread effectively arguing that Igla = Stinger because ‘they look similar’.
I’ll do better - here’s the thread you crayoned all over. People can just search @Ralin and see you getting progressively less coherent as the thread went on…
For those who haven’t learned their mathematics and history from a Soviet Tractor Factory Textbook - here is something of a summary.
Igla calculations are used by Gaijin as a basis for Stinger and Mistral agility (G performance).
Your argument before you eventually scurried back to the Russian forums was that everyone should trust the Russian document that states that Igla has X performance so we should trust all formulas and assumptions based on that similar looking missiles.
Oddly enough - when the rather obvious flaw (using a Soviet performance graph to try and divine the performance of missiles developed by totally different countries, using totally different principles and often from totally different time periods) became apparent - you started to get a little bit antsy.
Then I recall you promptly disappeared before popping back up on the Challenger 2 armour thread - where your pearls of wisdom were something of a bit of a comedy but tiresome.
TLDR- You are doubtless an intelligent poster but when it comes to Western tech you do tend towards the old-school ‘Russian Tech cannot do this - so nobody else can’ line of thinking.
He’s also done it in the anti-ERA thread, once it became apparent I will not provide him with the DM53 blueprint, he promptly dipped and went back to the Russian forum, where he’s since then kept repeating how DM53/M829A3 can’t actually defeat Kontakt-5, and M829A4 can’t defeat Relikt - why? Because “he doesn’t believe they can”.
