Which unit? the one that’s actually a sump tank? The actual pump should be in the engine compartment.
i never said its a pump in the turret? Don’t put words in my mouth.
And this doesnt change the fact the Abrams in that picture has “hidden” internal armor too - as do many other Soviet and NATO tanks ingame - this isnt a hidden “bug” unique to the T-64 and T-80 as the original poster implies.
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Are you sure?
My bad, I mustve missed the memo in the dictionary that says “unit” now means “pump” rather than any arbitrary unit in the hydraulics system of the tank.
“Turret hydraulics unit” means “the unit of the hydraulic system that is in the turret”. At no point did i ever specify a pump.
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And now you know, aren’t you grateful.
These platings on T-64 and T-80’s partially dont exist, the smaller rings are part of the autoloader structure irl, yet not part of the module ingame.
The larger platings, incasing almost the entire ammunition should not be there and are artifically added platings to catch incoming spall to increase their survivability.
The example you used for Abrams is also not hidden, it’s quite literally a module you can see via XRay.
And the plating that should be there is not around, but within the ammunition, it’s the basket the crew sits in that is conveniently not modelled.
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The example you used for Abrams is also not hidden, it’s quite literally a module you can see via XRay.
Its absolutely not visible as an armor panel in X-Ray, lets not spread misinformation now.
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Dude, all hydraulics modules have an armour value and thus plating.
On Leopard 2K you can hover over it even without Ansel e.g.
All other modules also retain this characteristic (majority are 2mm structural steel) but do not necessarily have an addition plating encasing them.
Difference is that this module can be seen through Xray (again its the hydraulic pump), yet the armour platings shown in the reddit post cannot be seen outside of ansel, cdk or hit analysis as they’re not a module.
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Your picture does not show any armor values nor any form of armor plating.
Thats just an X-ray module of the unit itself, not its armor - in fact it gets hidden away if you only select “armor” and “spall liners” in x-ray filters, implying that it isnt armor, so yes, in fact the actual armor plate is “hidden” and what you are showing is not the armor plate. - the actual armor plate im talking about also
cannot be seen outside of ansel
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Well then, im fairly certain the hidden armor plate protecting the front of the autoloader on the CV 90105 isnt part of any turret hydraulics. Again, these hidden plates exist on many tanks, not just T-64/T-80 as the OP implies.
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The filters do not even work half the time, they are a indicator for absolutely nothing.
Go on BMPT, select Armour in the filters and watch the internal armour disappear.
But surely the filters are a reliable way of telling whether something should be armour or not, right?
Every module in this game has an armour equivalent, as said, usually 2mm structural steel,with the ArmourThrough modifier deciding whether they spall or not (in addition to the CreateSecondaryshatters modifier, if present), Horizontal-Drive modules e.g. have an ArmourThrough value of 15, hence why they create a ton of spall when struck, the plating around russian autoloaders(and the autoloader itself) have a value of 1.0, which prevents spalling.
And unlike your examples, these platings are not visible and/or expectable through the modules displayed in Xray.
A module, even if not listed as armour (given they didnt just f up the filters again,which they often do) can/must be expected to have an armour value.
2mm structural steel for most modules
150mm-300mm mCHA for Trunnions (exception: most Leo2’s and Type 90)
150mm structural steel for breeches
Whether the module creates spall is dependent on the afforementioned modifiers.
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The plate you’re showing there is the blast-door, it’s not hidden, and it generates spall like an armored plate is supposed to.
90105s turret model simply wasn’t updated yet to include it.
If you paid attention though, the reddit post states the hidden plates on T-series don’t spall, that’s is a fundamental difference between your goalposting, and what was shown.
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iirc the 45mm cradle does but I am not sure, but yes, anything around the autoloader except h-drive doesnt.
Edit: Yea, looks like it should create spall.
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Oh my god, wow, who could have possibly expected there being a (almost) solid-face plating?!
Literally impossible to know!!
Meanwhile:
But there is no difference right?
Fun-fact, Oplot has the same gap there but doesnt have the 45mm plate (cradle) in the damage model.
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Oof every single time I see the Oplot mentioned I get less and less motivated to unlock it lol.
It’s got a poor round, poor armour, poor excuse of a model.
Just a shame really.
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Temu BVM
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It’s pretty sad that it’s not even close to a BVM in capabilities man, like it’s got great mobility sure, but it’s loud as hell, horrible round for the BR, 12.3 is it not?
Technically it’s not “top tier” as it’s not 12.7 but it has the single worst round found above 11.7 lol.
the fact that the M1A1 has a better round and is 2 BR steps lower is ridiculous.
Hell L27A1 is better than the Oplot round.
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T-80U-E1 has 3bm46 on 12.0
Oplot has best round with 6.0 sec reload
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Holy Molly….
- 1 Oplot is 12.3 not 12.0
- 2 it has worse armour than the T80U-E1
- 3 the 3BM46 is not a bad round at all and is marginally worse than the BTA4 lol.
- 4 it has worse forward mobility than the T80U as well.
- 5 worse optics than the T80U.
- 6 worse turret traverse as well.
Considering that the Oplot is an end of line MBT which is supposed to be a top tier contender. it’s a pathetic round to give it.
OR are you gonna tell me that the 3BM46 round is lacking massively here? T80U-E1 arguably is better than the oplot.
EDIT: Lastly there isn’t really a 12.3 lineup for japan either, so you are pretty much exclusively stuck at 12.7 with the tank.
For china it does have some vehicles to use alongside it at 12.3 but they are objectively better so it’s pointless to waste teh squadron points on the T84