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Another Russia Thunder moment where a russian side armor + autoloader eat a whole DART and the spalls with it as if it was nothing, leaving behind only a red + yellow ammunition (cool).
And no, it’s not a HEAT shell.
Never ever happens with NATO MBTs (they would be crippled to death if not dead in 1 shot already).
“Russian bias doesn’t exist”
I would’ve been fine if this was the only case with Russia.
This particular feature itself doesn’t cause the main issue but combining this with BMPT,SM-Sv,LMURS performance/quantity and fictional KH-38MT’s are the main reason why Russia is such dominant at top tier.
The DARTs not pening russian MBTs because of volumetric / their biased ERAs eating them entirely / side armors disintegrating them into Oblivion / autoloaders acting like Bedrock walls not letting in any spall from them / trunions deleting them / fuel tanks making them disappear is the worst to me.
You can literally dominate a russian dude shooting him perfectly out of nowhere, if the bias starts talking, he can kill you while he should have been dead long ago lol
Gonna play devil’s advocate in here, these happens on almost any tank sadly.
This is the main issue with ERA, no matter which angle you shoot at them they always performs optimal while in real life ERA performance depends heavily on incoming projectile angle combining with its own one.
Keep in mind when it dropped it shot to statistically the best mbt in game for a month solid and only slowly fell off when BMPT and such was released.
Also keep in mind that recently in my experience, key words there, ive seen china VS russia a lot in RB.
They aren’t bad persay the Vt4A1 i believe i do better than my Bvm with it.
But they certainly are not good mbts man. Too many holes in the armour.
The Vt4a1 doesn’t have that reverse.
The round is worse
The reload is the same bar the Vt4s which have 6.7 seconds.
The armour is significantly worse as well.
I much prefer my chinese mbts.over russian ones but i wouldn’t say they’re better.
No tank in the game is perfect at all, the abrams has its issues the same as any, but too many completely ignore the great positives it has just to say it’s terrible.
It’s turret ring is an issue sure as auto cannons shouldn’t really get through it.
It does, you’re not playing devils advocate the guy you’re responding to is just constantly acting as if volumetric Bs only happens to russia.
You ever see legwolf reports on how it works for CR2 and gaijin just basically said no?
Like dude spent months gathering up loads of sources and had proven the point exceptionally well…tben left when they rejected it.
Werher hes still around i dunno but haven’t seen him.for a long time.
Basically the CR2 era is massively under performing. Much like all of its kit.
Same as most nato era.
Though i will say, on the ariete PSO the stuff has stopped a good few darts saving me
WZ1001 has 75km forward 32-35km reverse thus makes it much better than Russian tanks in mobility.
It also has same penetration capabilities that 3BM60 has.
Armor is quite solid and works pretty fine, especially ever since they made LFP smaller.
It also has IRST and Proxy shells which makes it quite effective against helicopters/ low flying aircraft’s.
I dont know what you’re thinking but WZ1001 rolls Russian tanks quite easily.
Last but not least current top tier Chinese shell should also penetrate significantly more armor while all high tier Chinese MBT’s should have access to spall liners.
Naturally, forward wise it’s not much different to the BVM, + past 72 you lose the stab.
It doesn’t man, most top tier rounds can still slice through it easily.
True that, forgot about the proxy shells
The reload, armour issues, as well as the fact it’s profile is really tall and you can lol pen a lot of hte turret with the 3BM60 means the BVM will still come out on top most times, plus the reload difference.
0.6 seconds.
should but doesn’t in game which I would like to see them get both .
bear in mind I still prefer my chinese MBTs , they’re just so much more fun than russian ones.
It does, you’re not playing devils advocate the guy you’re responding to is just constantly acting as if volumetric Bs only happens to russia.
The shot in the video had NOTHING to do with volumetric. It didn’t even hit a track, nor a volumetric part of the armor in that mater. It hit center of the side armor lol. Dishonest man.
It’s either the side armor or that modeled ERA that ate the whole DART like a russian fantaisy, and the autoloader managed to eat all the spalls afterwards, leaving behind only a red and yellow ammunition.
Ridiculous.
russian canon breach protection is hilarious now 400mm pen not enought to damage itt yeah so realistic… 2 perfect shot on breach no damage afther this one shoted me…
I’d argue the Abrams has very exploitable weaknesses if opposing players know about them. Since most shots are already center mass, the turret ring and breech are the most likely places to be hit outside the LFP. Due to how much surface area you get to work with in those weakspots, it’s very exploitable. Granted if you know what you’re doing you can manage those weaknesses but if those weaknesses get exploited you get crippled as a result. It’s a great platform to use, but to your generic average player it’s a terrible vehicle.
He was actually explaining to me that the Leopard was supposedly one of the best-armored tanks. Is it more heavily armored than the Leclerc? Maybe than the Abrams? Or perhaps than the T-80 and T-90, which, when hiding their lower glacis plate, are nearly impossible to kill? And by the way, regarding turret armor — he clearly hasn’t fired at a Russian tank that refuses to even have its barrel damaged!
German tanks like the Panther I and all Tigers are better than the Russian ones all the way to top tier! Especially during World War II, where German tanks achieved great success despite the Russians’ numerical superiority. In the game, however, the reality is that a Panther cant survive a hit from a rock to the turret and then become completely useless afterward.
And what about the Russian SPAA Pantsir-S1? It gets more tank kills than the PUMA VJTF! As for the guy IhateCAS — let’s call him STATSMAN — I checked his stats and they’re nothing special. He’s probably one of those “rats” who spend the whole match waiting for their one flashy kill.
I neutralize enemy capture points sometimes five times in a single match, which is a thankless job because it gives neither money nor experience. Stats don’t win games, and that’s something those rats will never understand! I die and go right back to the position again and again, distracting the enemy and forcing them to react — even if I only make two tanks stop and look around for me, I’ve already contributed to my team.
My friends prefer playing in the 5.3 to 6.7 BR range, so I mostly play top-tier vehicles alone. But then IHateCAS shows up and starts talking about statistics, as if he alone is always the one making the difference in matches.
My friend, whether you have a 47% or a 51% win rate or K/D ratio means absolutely nothing, because a lot of it comes down to luck and chance. Every match, you play with different people. Your statistics would only truly matter if you played with the same team or clan every single time.
And, as some people already told you, the Russian tech tree is undeservedly dominant.
My friends prefer playing in the 5.3 to 6.7 BR range, so I mostly play top-tier vehicles alone. But then IHateCAS shows up and starts talking about statistics, as if he alone is always the one making the difference in matches.
My friend, whether you have a 47% or a 51% win rate or K/D ratio means absolutely nothing, because a lot of it comes down to luck and chance. Every match, you play with different people. Your statistics would only truly matter if you played with the same team or clan every single time.
The T-90M can be really annoying to kill when hiding it’s LFP. However most T-80s are still no problem in that situation, the BVM is especially weak in terms of turret compared to the other T-series.
Hold up, is this a wehraboo? Like from the old days of WT?
Damn I haven’t seen one of you in ages.
only garbage cause they didnt make it top attack like the lmur btw, relevant to the discussion about bias imo
Most top tier rounds can slice anything if you know where to aim. This not an excuse.
Reverse speed makes it shine so much, bein able to retreat easily makes the difference between life and death.
Reload can be neglible with amazing reverse speed.
Armor is better than BVM in my book, especially on turret considering half of the BVM’s turret is basically weakspot due to lacking base armor/ERA on critical parts.
You confused WZ with BVM, its the opposite in reality.
Not even close, I can easily lolpen BVM’s most of the turret due the reasons I listed above while he struggles to perform same action.
They are fun because they are better in both game and in real life. Not to mention WZ’s reload should also be 6.6 seconds but gaijin refuses to fix.
In my book its already better than BVM/90M, now imagine fixing shell penetration, adding spall liners and reducing reload rate.
Its basically Russian tank but better in almost every way.
much like most of western addon armor.
1 tracks damaged meaning the track was hit in the screenshot which was posted earlier.
2 my comment has literally nothing to do with the track and is specifically about you choosing to ignore the fact that the autoloaders for NATO, tracks and volumetric all soak damage.
As even panther said… a person whom if you read i have also disagreed with consistently.
Every tank has very exploitable weakpoints if you know them.
Thats part of learning the game mate.
No they arent.
Breach them, then either shoot the turret ring, drivers hatch, or shoot through the roof.
No i mean it as they had holes in their armour, I have on my old laptop screenshots / clips.of even m774 going through the UFP on my Vt4A1 and such.
Eh, it means you can make more errors in situations true and bail easier, but the bvm as my point was can put more pressure on frontally.
Not really, that’s extremely situational to say.
It’s not better but i do actually feel the same and was proved wrong with various manners.
Its not the opposite at all.
Most BVM users are idiots same story as Ger and US .
Ive taken out plenty in my VT4A1, doesn’t mean that the BVM doesn’t nuke it fairly easily.
In game they sacrifice armour for extra mobility.
Worse round
Worse armour
Worse reload
Also worse optics
Dude almost every tank has armor holes in this game, my Leclerc got 50called from front couple years ago, this is not something special by any means.
I disagree, both tanks can put same amount of pressure, in fact WZ can put more due to its overall better mobility.
Not even close, if you fk up in both tanks you will be able to get out from sticky situations while using Russian tanks, meanwhile WZ can simply reverse its way.
Dude BVM has one of the worst turret protection in this game. Its based T-80B armor slapped with Relikt and even then has huge gaps between base armor and ERA, not to mention era coverage on turret its pretty trash compare to WZ.
It has nothing to do with player but vehicles design as I explained above.
Same round.
Similiar protection, in fact WZ offers better protection because of its turret compare to BVM.
Compensated by reverse speed which same cant be said for Russian tanks.
Worse optics?
BVM has static 5X trash zoom on its commander sight and doesnt even have the thermal imaging for its commander while WZ enjoys better zoom and CITV.
Not to mention BVM lacks proxy shell and LWS/IRST system which makes it even worse in some aspects.
If reload is the only concern when choosing tanks you should stick with Type-90/10’s.
Better mobility but slower reload meaning less firepower overall.
Numerically its able to apply less direct pressure.
Could say its better for flanking, or shoot at scoot.
True there, if you can reverse.
Though 11 kmph is pathetic it can at least get you out a situation faster than the pther T series.
I know mate. Thats my point but with the armour holes on the Wz if they havent been fixed you used to be able to shoot basically clean through its turret armour.
It literally has 6x - 11x magnification which is worse than the 4- 12 on the BVM.
The wz has worse zoom aka magnification on both its gunner and commandwrs optics than the BVM.
Some.aspects sure.
It still is maintained to be one of the best MBTs in the game according to half this forum.
I personally prefer my chinese tanks bit the BVM tends to out do them overall.
Not the same round, to say its the same would mean identical.
Its almost the same however the chinese round is marginally worse.
Far worse.hull protection and ERA coverage of.said hull too.
Why would I bother, i play whats fun to me.
Like my merkava Mk3s with my netz or the arietes etc.
The type 90s and TKX(P) for me while firepower wise and mobility wise stomp, are extremely boring tanks.
Also lets get back on topic about the russian bias and what not
