And Abrams considered to be better than all Russian tanks but my T-80 stats shows otherwise.
Keep in mind premium t-80 sits at 12.0 and constantly gets dragged to 12.7-13.0 while my SEP variants sitting at higher br.
So its not valid when using cherry pick stats.
That’s strawman, the point is any amount of HE works and that Puma is vastly easier to kill than BMPT ever was, and will be.
This is just what i bothered to screenshot
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/e5kP56666PW6
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/GRu6JBYgBVut
This is kind of a no-brainer, PUMA is a light tank.
Either way both were batshit insane on introduction. PUMA is dogshit now and the BMPT is also losing its presence now
I suggest read before type.
You obviously don’t understand the point of debate.
Puma is an IFV… that is meant to be vastly more tanky… (survivable against 57mm APFSDS) but it’s not Russian so Gaijin has been ignoring bug reports on that since 2021 or 2022 :)
BMPT is also losing its presence now
It really isn’t, the TT one is as strong as it always was, the premium one fares a bit worse however, mostly because it’s survivability isn’t as bonkers.
Mother of god….
You still posting unrelated things to our debate…
I’d say again, read before posting.
it getting more tanky won’t save it from just getting disabled after a turret shot either way.
it’ll lose to an MBT in most scenarios.
Even if they get the jump on an MBT the apds will struggle to pen the sides long enough for the MBT to react and kill/cripple with one shot
Idk they must have forgotten to turn on their bias switch or something because I thought these scary Russian MBTs were supposedly rolling everyone according to some people here?
Screw the guy in the Mi-28NM though, hopefully he gets mildly inconvenienced for a whole month.
My man I could share my T-80U-E1 results where I managed to get 6+ kills in full uptier but that doesn’t prove anything.
This type of debate is pointless,cmon you’re better than this Renzo.
Counterpoint: The russian bias comes in when russia gets another boon thats at best highly doubtful and at worst completely made up. Youre right that the new Pantsir, CAS and BMPT are the biggest offenders but the MBTs are not innocent either, its just not enough for them.
Omfg thats so not the problem, its literally a T series hull, the thing is you cant learn to reliably kill it if there is no way to kill it when only the turret is visible thanks to its absolutely broken damage model. Your HE shot is nice but only works on the premium one and only if you hit the aluminium bulges on the hull.
Literally second most played vehicle
What? The BMPT can reliably pen the side of a 2A7V and kill the basket in no time thanks to 550rpm the only MBT where it would somewhat struggle is the 122 with additional composite sides
If they fixed the overpressure bug (bs), it’d get pretty good after the protection fix.
Even if they get the jump on an MBT the apds will struggle to pen the sides long enough for the MBT to react and kill/cripple with one shot
The only MBT they might struggled with is the CR 2 with the add-on package and the 122B+, any other MBT melts (~1s). I have the BMPT-72 and talking from straight up experience playing it.
Genuinely unless you react instantly, they end you. There is no room for error, both of your vids are you getting lucky.
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I mean, I’ve played the PUMA a lot myself. I do wish it were better.
Unfortunately all I can do is sit and wait.
I’ve had abrams sideskirts absorb apds shells from my BMPT like it was nothing a good couple times.
Really confused me the first time I encountered that
APDS can shatter. You got unlucky… somehow.
ig, thank god the BMPT can’t get apfsds.
I don’t have too many issues facing them now, if they got apfsds that would be quite different
really love in close rannge all time i die because the russian wonderfull barreal and breaach wgen get shot multiple time get 0 damage… but bmpt destoru u barrel with 2 30mm shot really realistic…
Su30sm is fine at 14.3.
A easy thing point is that ta genuine difficult to fond problems with how russian top tier tanks are currently implemented (that are making it worse that is), sure theyre mediocre tanks but its not like they can be any better(there small upgrades but theyre different models), i would be surprised if there is a single non russian tank that doesnt have glaring issues limiting its perfomance(chinese included). Nothing short of giving t90m a fake transmission or even more dubious survivability can make it better, 3bm59 wouldnt be a relevant upgrade, arena-m is niche and currently aps is saved for the worst top tier tanks that can get it.
