Russian CAS is dumb af I agree, however other nations have more comparable CAS now too. (Israeli F-15 with like 24+ F&F munitions, Rafale for example)
New pantsir shouldn’t have been added but I’m sure we will find counters soon enough. (Brimstones are very effective surprisingly, I’ve noticed that myself from being forced to play SM in SQB and from fighting it in live matches as the euro)
BMPT is basically PUMA 2.0
People will eventually learn how to kill it (surely they will)
It can’t genuinely be killed like the Puma. You can overpressure Puma with anything that has HE in it, you can’t do that to a BMPT. It also doesn’t have the level of armor, so any frontal fight with anything that is an MBT is automatically lost, not for BMPTs, they’re not comparable in the slightest.
The 2A42 is also vastly better at incapacitating MBTs than the MK30-2/ABM due to fire-rate.
The situation is the same
On addition PUMA was the first of its kind and ended up at too low of a br
Just like BMPT is the first of its kind in the game and also began at too low of a br.
You managed that shot how many times?
You can also HE the BMPT’s turret to disable the FCS and cannon barrels/breeches
With a lucky shot… you kill Puma’s with 20mm HE ;)
You can easily recreate it in prot analysis
the kill shot unfortunately only works against the premium one which I don’t see as often
Then it means hitting it in a match is a 1 in a 1000 shot, not comparable to this happening to the Puma every second match:
that’s a 30mm, not 20mm
And Abrams considered to be better than all Russian tanks but my T-80 stats shows otherwise.
Keep in mind premium t-80 sits at 12.0 and constantly gets dragged to 12.7-13.0 while my SEP variants sitting at higher br.
So its not valid when using cherry pick stats.
That’s strawman, the point is any amount of HE works and that Puma is vastly easier to kill than BMPT ever was, and will be.
This is just what i bothered to screenshot
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/e5kP56666PW6
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/GRu6JBYgBVut
This is kind of a no-brainer, PUMA is a light tank.
Either way both were batshit insane on introduction. PUMA is dogshit now and the BMPT is also losing its presence now
I suggest read before type.
You obviously don’t understand the point of debate.
Puma is an IFV… that is meant to be vastly more tanky… (survivable against 57mm APFSDS) but it’s not Russian so Gaijin has been ignoring bug reports on that since 2021 or 2022 :)
BMPT is also losing its presence now
It really isn’t, the TT one is as strong as it always was, the premium one fares a bit worse however, mostly because it’s survivability isn’t as bonkers.
Mother of god….
You still posting unrelated things to our debate…
I’d say again, read before posting.
it getting more tanky won’t save it from just getting disabled after a turret shot either way.
it’ll lose to an MBT in most scenarios.
Even if they get the jump on an MBT the apds will struggle to pen the sides long enough for the MBT to react and kill/cripple with one shot
Idk they must have forgotten to turn on their bias switch or something because I thought these scary Russian MBTs were supposedly rolling everyone according to some people here?
Screw the guy in the Mi-28NM though, hopefully he gets mildly inconvenienced for a whole month.
My man I could share my T-80U-E1 results where I managed to get 6+ kills in full uptier but that doesn’t prove anything.
This type of debate is pointless,cmon you’re better than this Renzo.
Counterpoint: The russian bias comes in when russia gets another boon thats at best highly doubtful and at worst completely made up. Youre right that the new Pantsir, CAS and BMPT are the biggest offenders but the MBTs are not innocent either, its just not enough for them.
Omfg thats so not the problem, its literally a T series hull, the thing is you cant learn to reliably kill it if there is no way to kill it when only the turret is visible thanks to its absolutely broken damage model. Your HE shot is nice but only works on the premium one and only if you hit the aluminium bulges on the hull.
Literally second most played vehicle
What? The BMPT can reliably pen the side of a 2A7V and kill the basket in no time thanks to 550rpm the only MBT where it would somewhat struggle is the 122 with additional composite sides
If they fixed the overpressure bug (bs), it’d get pretty good after the protection fix.
Even if they get the jump on an MBT the apds will struggle to pen the sides long enough for the MBT to react and kill/cripple with one shot
The only MBT they might struggled with is the CR 2 with the add-on package and the 122B+, any other MBT melts (~1s). I have the BMPT-72 and talking from straight up experience playing it.
Genuinely unless you react instantly, they end you. There is no room for error, both of your vids are you getting lucky.
