They’re still relatively relevant.
Nobody said it was a huge discrepancy
I didn’t at least
Uhh.
“Despite MANY NATO vehicles being incredibly superior to what Russia has to offer.”
“Thats simply not true”
To which you reply
And again very disingenuous comparison to make as whilst theyre both 14.3 the us hasnt had a top tier aircraft for the last year +.
Whilst 14.3 was top the us had nothing, when the f15ge was added it was useless, then they buffed it when they made 14.7 the top br and added su30sm2.
Like this literally shows the opposite of what youre claiming
lol “Gaijin doesn’t like China” as China has overtly under-BR’d vehicles such as ZTZ-96A.
China having the best Flankers until SM2 was added.
The modeling to J-10C.
As for J-15T, that’s mostly the fault of the IRL manufacturer and Chinese air force.
You can edit the radar of J-15T, add in ECM [which Gaijin is working on], but that won’t change the 48 countermeasures forcing it to be BVR only even right now.
Did you see what they just did to pl12s???. J15t was also added in an way that its completely non competitive and now it got nerfed even more
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Not to mention it also affects the better plane, which is the J10c
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They fixed 2 issues of PL-12s, and created 1 new rather atrocious issue; 2 steps forward one step back.
I commented on it on the actual update page showcasing my opposition to the new issue.
That doesn’t mean anything other than there’s a new issue that needs solved.
And the previously amazing j10a
The pl12 had enough range to be useful sure t needed more but its niche was maneuverability.
Now they gave it a slight range buff and killed its gpull, making it a worse aim120, which were already bad missiles
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Wth are you talking about
There are things such as selective realism, that exist
F-4J(UK) is an Ex-USN F-4J, but cannot get AIM-7F and Napalm which they had in their USN service
Because we didn’t have them in our arsenal
While the Italian Tornado F.3 can be armed with Skyflash SuperTEMP which we didn’t loan to Italian
Because their planes were capable of.
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Every nation has those, but not every nation gets major bug reports ignored for planes and tanks, while also having premier vehicles added in a wholly non competitive state. (however other nations do suffer from that)
The Su-30SM was better, and the J-11B is equal to the Su-27SM.
It got a weaker engine on launch unlike a certain Russian aircraft, and it’s new engine isn’t a very large upgrade either.
I blame Gaijin for not putting it at a BR where a Russian aircraft is objectively better in nearly every way.
And the very good J-11B.
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Almost as if WS-10B was never a major upgrade to begin with.
You can only get so fast out of a single engine’d aircraft, and currently J-10C is slightly faster than F-16C.
Cut off the lower fuel amount.
@Stockholm_Blend
A red herring fallacy… haven’t seen that it a bit.
I was speaking on realism, not the entirely separate subject of loadouts, and loadout authenticity/capability.
Glad to see you and others agree with me on F-4J UK, regardless.
The Swiss hornet has A2G ordinance which it never used, and the Malaysian Su-30 gets KH-38MTs as well (which are debatable for whether or not they even exist) if you want a couple more examples.
Meanwhile they deny giving planes like the German F-4F or Swiss Mirage 3 their IRL weaponry, instead keeping them mediocre at their current BR.
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Fallacy Fallacy.
I am speaking on realism and loadouts are part of realism. And Gaijin’s standard is rubber band-like.
No I don’t agree with you on F-4J UK.
I’ll admit from all of these (LMUR, KH38, BMPT) i find SM-SV to be the least frustrating
AASM Laser is a great counter, especially on hilly maps. I pop my Rafale at 20 clicks to get its position, again at 8 to be sure.
next thing they know, 2-3 AASM are coming towards them by popping from behind a mountain, fired at different angle to screw any last minute interception. I don’t even need to designate anything since AASM laser is also GPS
This is diabolical and satisfying, but not really worth it as it’s a third to half your payload gone for one AA
And maybe we also could bring F-104G’s Bizarre Adventure if we need another example.
F-5A/C(USAF) can get CM because the exported version of F-5A was capable of installing CM
While Taiwanese F-104G cannot get CM because some of those were EX-JASDF F-104J, when German F-104G were capable of installing CM.
Quite funny.
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“A fallacy fallacy is when someone points out a fallacy to dismiss a statement or argument.”
I didn’t dismiss your statement or argument.
The following sentence directly addresses your statement which you quoted:
And loadouts fall under authenticity & capability, not realism.
Realism is how sensors work, and physics.
So, to make sure you are not misrepresenting yourself:
Your post is opposing my stance, which is: “F-4J UK should move to 11.7; or get AIM-7Fs; and irrelevant of those two it should get any correct air to ground weapons it should be able to use.”
Are you certain that you disagree with/oppose F-4J UK moving to 11.7, or getting AIM-7Fs?
Are you certain that you disagree with/oppose F-4J UK getting napalm?
I want to make sure you understand your position, and I want to make sure I understand your position.
Su-27SM was better than J-11B for a long time even before SM2
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Only PL-12A received the range buff.
Both variants had their pull nuked
In missile count yes.
In radar, flight model for at least a few months [and potentially still], and missile quality J-11B edged out ahead in my view; at least prior to the new PL-12 issue that has shown up.
But I am biased in favor of faster scanning radars that have functional track while scan.
I am doubly sure that this is cheap wordplay
If you call me a red herring, then the side effect of dismissing my statement will follow. Because you criticised my reliability.
Sir, do you think I am that naive?
In your reality.
Realism covers quite a large radius and loadouts can be included in the Realism term.
This is moving a goalpost.
The reason I mentioned F-4J(UK) in this discussion was
Gaijin’s realism standards are iffy and there is selective realism that exists. And F-4J(UK) was one of EXAMPLES.
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