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Jeez I was expecting some toxic comments but the sheer amount of delusions and toxicness caused me to cough irl.
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Well they are just such different tanks that putting them in a 1v1 in a corridor they both pushed into (a situation the leclerc shouldnt get itself into in the first place) and which is as favorable as a situation for the t90m as possible obviously favors the frontally much better armored tank. So thats a stupid matchup to begin with.
but to say that the t90m is worse than the leclerc in everything but armor is also not quite correct and i think you know that. The t90m has a better dart (penetrator weighs 5 kg compared to the leclercs 4 kg dart with similar pen, but that still results in much better post pen damage), it has gen two commander thermals (that only the leclerc SXXI gets) it has LWS, spall liners, an he round, ess and ir air target tracking plus a top mounted 12.7. The Leclercs get none of that (well some do get one of those but none of the others) while still having worse gun depression than almost every other nato top tier mbt. In fact the difference of the leclercs gun depression to other nato tanks is the same like from Leclerc to t90m (2°)
The t90m is far from bad, by stats alone it somehow is my best performing russian top tier tank, it just needs to be played way more cautious than the t80s since you cant retreat, once youre in a bad position too far forward youre in big trouble.
Its just that those two with their differences of armor (much better on T90) and mobility (much better on Leclerc) results in such different playstyles that comparing them in: they both meet head on in an alley is just a stupid way of comparing them.
But yeah the leclerc definitely needs fixes and adjustments. One of the worst top tier darts on a quite sluggish platform (not in max speed but turning and maneuvering on hills is absolute dogwater on the leclerc somehow) with basically no armor (at least way less than most other top tier mbts, except the type 10) on the turret and the hull forces you to play in a weird way of brawling and holding certain positions and then see our abysmal dart fail to do damage in one of 5 shots and die because of that bs. EDIT: just remembered, the only 2 smoke pops and having no top mounted 50 cal on the leclercs is also annoying af.
People often trash talks about T-90M due to its reverse speed while completely ignoring its positive sides.
Honestly it gets boring at this point, its a great tank with many strengths and its my favorite Russian Tank at top tier.
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Yeah, i think its just too different in playstyle from the hold w tanks that russia usually sports in top tier and people dont want or cant adapt to playing more cautious. But having some t90ms sprinkled in between your team that is early rushing that are actually holding positions, sightlines and defend the map control you usually gain early by t80bvms and not just speeding down the map on the most direct route to the enemies spawn can turn a russian team from absolutely folding in front of said spawn into a completely different beast.
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Exactly, I love holding positions with my T-90M especially on long range maps while my T-80’s and light vehicles pushes forward.
I can basically tank incoming shells with my great armor while providing my teammates solid firepower from distance and keep the enemy distracted with my existence.
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What is early map control worth if you cant solidify it and cant hold the caps because everyone just yolos around trying to get into cas as quick as possible? Its worth nothing if 80% of those people just suicide in stupid and unnecessary pushes
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not rly, because i wasn’t referring to any answers just pointing out that this guy is literally gaijin troll patrolling forum…and he is well known for that all over internet…
well cannot be debunked when its still present in game right… not to mention that i was talking about general post pen spalling multiplier which was reduced fot T-tanks and slightly up for NATO tanks to “balance” tank layouts (gaijin words)
by the way driver - engine front pens on T- tanks is very loved feature to this date.
A russaboo coping again. :) try harder Z boy
it should be tiny fragments not steering missiles in… it’s like when they still take MBT rounds and don’t obliterate.
Happens so rarely for me that I usually forget about this feature. Maybe 1 in 10-20 shots?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/yu8rsr/russian_side_armor_is_specifically_set_not_to/
If you want to say that this is also in game for NATO, sure it’s not debunked. However this seems pretty much debunked.
Unless you want to go full conspiracy wappie mode.
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I personally wouldn’t shit on the T-90M as much if nation mains would stop overhyping it (Just to be sure I don’t start unintended beef, this isn’t targeted at you). So many nation mains just praise the T-90M to be this god tier MBT that is better than every NATO MBT in game, which is simply not true.
I absolutely despise playing it, but I can see why people could like it.
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Ask me this time last year and i wouldnt fully believe in actual russian bias. Nowadays its very obvious
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Nah you’re cool Renzo I know your opinions on T-90M and I totally respect that.
Compare to aggressive rushing style that T-80’s has T-90M offers more relaxed gameplay which I tend to love from time to time, that’s why it’s my favorite Russian High tier Tank.
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Normal kid say premium bias or something along those lines.
Can you think of an OP premium vehicle that came out recently that wasn’t Russian?
Especially after that little dual auto cannon abomination.
T58
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Ohh yeahhh.
Well I stand with my previous statement. It’s premium bias, they put profit above most everything else.
premium biases are a seperate thing tbh, thats just profit drive. It isnt also nationalistic bias like we see with most of the USSR tree
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oh yea it always happens rarely to gaijin forum trolls :D I am shocked! :D
funny you refer to reddit… anyway, guy admits he just reads code and have no clue how it works or of there are any other factors.
“So it’s pretty clear that the way the BVM’s armor spall is coded is not apparently different, and if it is, it’s not with “createSecondaryShatters”: false. I am also skeptical about the actual purpose of “createSecondaryShatters.” If it controlled all spall, then every top tier tank other than the leopard 2’s just wouldn’t spall at all.”
then we have spook, making quite elaborate video with code reading and then actual in game tests, and results are different. True its 3 years old, but with implementation of new internal modules it should fix the problem, but it didnt, Russian armor still spalls less, Driver - engine still happens on rng basis. russian internals are deliberately made so they eat spall but don’t create any, like fuel tanks having no plates around them, autoloader being modelled so its thickness is just under spall trigger threshold and for some reason autloader not blocking at least horizontal drive… And don’t get me started on wonky funny ERA implementation which ofc benefits mostly ONE nation.