And ? What it has to do with MiG-23MLD vs F-14A where F-14A sits higher br. only because of it’s Fox-3 ? While F-2 ADTW and JAS39A share same br. with ARH carriers ?
And it sits in higher br than MLD so your opinion is completley worhless and people who thing F-4J is better than MLD has won.
So thats why Su-27 has to stick to lower altitude and have same br. as F-14B despite having better avionics and R-73.
You don’t understand it because it’s not about 27ER it’s about your flawed logic and your cope and attempts to ad hominem shows it.
Thats what I’m talking about in case you still didn’t understand, the whole reason why Tomcat sits higher br than MLD is because of primitive Fox-3 missiles and better radar, in every other category MLD shits on F-14A.
As for the JAS39A and F2 ADTW both planes has superior flight/Avionic performance, much better ir missiles, more countermeasures oh and JAS39A has also BOL pods and HMD, these advantages makes Phoenix completely irrevelant.
Is that so smart guy?
Lets compare our stats then.
My Stats:
MiG-23MLD: 3.6 K/D
F4J: 2.2 K/D
Your Stats:
F4S: 1.5 K/D
Mig23MLD: 1.49 K/D
Despite sitting at higher br you only managed to get 0.1 better ratio in your F4S compare to your MLD’s, meanwhile my MLD stats shits on my F4J’s.
What’s funny thing is despite bein worse than F4S my F4J has better stats compare to your so called “better” F4S.
This just shows people like you cant even use F4S let alone the MLD properly 9/10 times.
Lmao, Su-27 doesn’t need to sit lower against F-14B, you can just simply fly sideways before Phoenix lock on to you, pass the barrage and kill Tomcat players easily with R27ER’s but I don’t expect you to understand this basic concept considering your performance below average on those jets.
Says the guy who can’t even use those vehicles properly while talking about coping and flawed logic.
And by the same logic how R-27ER is OP ? Let me remind you when Su-27 was added with charecteristics of prototyple that has worse avionics and AL-21 engine had no chance against F-15A in dogfight and despite that R-27ER is OP but AIM-54 is not ?
Oh wow and ? This stat comparison is going to change fact that F-4J/S have higher br. than MLD ? Whats next it’s going to make Earth flat ?
Well again what stopped F-15A players just stick to lower altitude dodge the R-27ER barrage and shoot down all Su-27 ? You just describing unexisting scenario for 16-16 brawl.
Brother you trying to ad hominem the reality where F-14B and Su-27 have same br. and F-4J/S have higher br than MLD.
Please show me where did mention R27ER’s bein OP during our conversation, I’m waiting.
And? When did I say initial Su-27 was better than F-15 in every single way? Once again you’re strawmanning.
No, it just shows people like you are the reason why MLD sits 0.3 lower br than objectively worse plane.
Just like how current F-15A models sitting at 12.7 despite they should never recieve br reduction in the first place.
Conversation wasn’t about the F-15 to begin with it, you’re just getting more desperate by bringing irrevelant vehicles to our current conversation topic.
At least F-14B and Su-27’s are somehow balanced at same br while having different pros and cons while F4J/S is straight up worse than MLD in almost every category.
Your knowledge about in game vehicles are so bad that you don’t even know what you’re talking about, aside from strawmanning and coping of course.
Strawmanning ? Brother you should be put in prison for public indecency cutting single sentences out of arguments is strawmanning and you did it several times like right now with Su-27 and F-15A argument.
Its relevant example one with better missiles other with better avionics fact that you trying to dodge it with ad hominem and strawmanning clearly indicates your dishonesty.
Oh well look whos super important opinion got ignored again.
Dude you literally coping how 1.4 K/D and 53% winrate going to indicate that it needed to be lowered br. ? And i played it long ago like when F-14A and MiG-29 was added.
-Worse acceleration
-Worse top speed on both deck and high altitude
-Worse energy retention
-Much worse dogfight capabilities
-Worse initial/sustaining turn capabilities
-Worse Ir missiles
-Worse Radar guided missiles
-Worse RWR (RWR on F4J/S doesnt give any launch warning while SPO-15M on MLD does)
-Lacks IRST which is quite useful for silent assasinstions combining with R24T
-Lacks VWS (although it can be considered niche its still useful)
-Worse CM: 60 Small Caliber vs 72 Large Caliber
Phantoms advantages lies on HMD and quantity of Radar missiles which most of the time doesn’t matter since you don’t have any kind of HOBS missiles.
On equal skill level MLD beats those Phantoms quite easily.
Another advantage or disadvantage, depending on the player, of the Phantom would be the ability to manually control radar mode.
It can be both, as many players are not used to radar micro-management, so MLD radar can be easier for them to use.
Yea it switches between pulse and MTI depending on the nose angle/altitude, what I was trying to say is you can adjust radar angle and pick targets by manually.
Oh, Yeah, we have misunderstood eachother.
I have not meant that, as that is something common to most radars. What i meant is for a player that cant micro-manage, i know a few like that, that flies with radar locked to the nose and cyclic target switching. In the MLD they dont need to manage radar modes, so its easier for them, in the Phantom you have to adjust them manually.
I don’t personally have the MLD so cant quite say for sure how good it is in a dogfight, tried it briefly in Nuclear thunder, but beyond that my knowledge is limited (grinding the Yak38 now tho so maybe I could get back to you once i have the MLD seeing as i have the F4J and S). So I can’t comment much on the energy and acceleration performance
I’d place the R60M slightly above the AIM9G simply because of a better speed and all aspect, but the AIM9G is no slouch.
I only tried the R24R and T briefly in the Nuclear thunder event seeing as i was more interested in trialing the Anti Radiation missiles and nukes, but from what i could, the only real difference was the inital pull and slightly better tracking, and the MLD only gets 2 on an arguably worse radar with the silly MTI stuff.
Also cant comment much on RWR or its IRST other than the fact that F4Js RWR isn’t the greatest I’ll definitely agree, and the lack of IRST is a con
As to the countermeasures, i kinda find that to be a slept on con with the F4J since it dispenses two at a time, its a major drawback for it. So definitely agree there.
Again i want to reiterate I have no particular stance on the matter, I believe them to be more or less equal, but I also try be aware of that “the grass always looks greener” since i don’t personally own the MLD. So was just curious to hear your reasoning and potentially discuss with you.
Because convo wasn’t even about Su-27 vs F-15A to begin with, you just dragged those two jets out of nowhere.
Its irrevelant because convo wasn’t even about F-15 vs Su-27 yet you drag those jets into conversation just to try to prove your point which btw you failed miserably.
You have comprehending issues.
I never said that Phantom should recieve br reduction, MLD is the one that should get br increase due to bein superior plane overall.
Not only you lack game knowledge you also lack basic understanding.
