Ah yes famous Desert Warrior that cant even hit is top speed due to broken transmission.
Totally balanced comrade s/.
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Strawmanning ? Brother you should be put in prison for public indecency cutting single sentences out of arguments is strawmanning and you did it several times like right now with Su-27 and F-15A argument.
Its relevant example one with better missiles other with better avionics fact that you trying to dodge it with ad hominem and strawmanning clearly indicates your dishonesty.
Oh well look whos super important opinion got ignored again.
Dude you literally coping how 1.4 K/D and 53% winrate going to indicate that it needed to be lowered br. ? And i played it long ago like when F-14A and MiG-29 was added.
Just a quick question as to why you say this? I don’t really have a stance here, just curious for your reasoning is all.
Sure let me explain.
Compare to MLD F4J/S has:
-Worse acceleration
-Worse top speed on both deck and high altitude
-Worse energy retention
-Much worse dogfight capabilities
-Worse initial/sustaining turn capabilities
-Worse Ir missiles
-Worse Radar guided missiles
-Worse RWR (RWR on F4J/S doesnt give any launch warning while SPO-15M on MLD does)
-Lacks IRST which is quite useful for silent assasinstions combining with R24T
-Lacks VWS (although it can be considered niche its still useful)
-Worse CM: 60 Small Caliber vs 72 Large Caliber
Phantoms advantages lies on HMD and quantity of Radar missiles which most of the time doesn’t matter since you don’t have any kind of HOBS missiles.
On equal skill level MLD beats those Phantoms quite easily.
Another advantage or disadvantage, depending on the player, of the Phantom would be the ability to manually control radar mode.
It can be both, as many players are not used to radar micro-management, so MLD radar can be easier for them to use.
You can also manually manage MLD’s radar, its not something special to Phantom in that case.
I’ll give radar advantage to Phantom tho since it lacks in so many other areas.
Isnt MLD radar locked to automatic Pulse-MTI management? I might be missremembering, but i think it was forced to automatic.
Yea it switches between pulse and MTI depending on the nose angle/altitude, what I was trying to say is you can adjust radar angle and pick targets by manually.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Oh, Yeah, we have misunderstood eachother.
I have not meant that, as that is something common to most radars. What i meant is for a player that cant micro-manage, i know a few like that, that flies with radar locked to the nose and cyclic target switching. In the MLD they dont need to manage radar modes, so its easier for them, in the Phantom you have to adjust them manually.
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I don’t personally have the MLD so cant quite say for sure how good it is in a dogfight, tried it briefly in Nuclear thunder, but beyond that my knowledge is limited (grinding the Yak38 now tho so maybe I could get back to you once i have the MLD seeing as i have the F4J and S). So I can’t comment much on the energy and acceleration performance
I’d place the R60M slightly above the AIM9G simply because of a better speed and all aspect, but the AIM9G is no slouch.
I only tried the R24R and T briefly in the Nuclear thunder event seeing as i was more interested in trialing the Anti Radiation missiles and nukes, but from what i could, the only real difference was the inital pull and slightly better tracking, and the MLD only gets 2 on an arguably worse radar with the silly MTI stuff.
Also cant comment much on RWR or its IRST other than the fact that F4Js RWR isn’t the greatest I’ll definitely agree, and the lack of IRST is a con
As to the countermeasures, i kinda find that to be a slept on con with the F4J since it dispenses two at a time, its a major drawback for it. So definitely agree there.
Again i want to reiterate I have no particular stance on the matter, I believe them to be more or less equal, but I also try be aware of that “the grass always looks greener” since i don’t personally own the MLD. So was just curious to hear your reasoning and potentially discuss with you.
Once MLD player active its wing sweep its just game over for Phantom.
I highly advise to get use to manually adjust wing sweeps while using MLD in dogfights.
You can check the YouTube videos before testing yourself to see performance gap, let me tell you its not even funny.
MLD’s engine is so powerful that it basically rips it own wings in straight line if you dont get careful.
AIM-9G’s advantage lies in range but other than that its worse than R-60M in every other way.
You also forgot that R24R accelerates much faster, making much more suitable for CQC engagements.
In my eyes MLD is superior to any Phantom aside from ICE and maybe Kurnass 2000.
The only drawback I can think of is the amount of radar missiles.
I’m more than happy to discuss with you, no worries.
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Because convo wasn’t even about Su-27 vs F-15A to begin with, you just dragged those two jets out of nowhere.
Its irrevelant because convo wasn’t even about F-15 vs Su-27 yet you drag those jets into conversation just to try to prove your point which btw you failed miserably.
You have comprehending issues.
I never said that Phantom should recieve br reduction, MLD is the one that should get br increase due to bein superior plane overall.
Not only you lack game knowledge you also lack basic understanding.
Shame.
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Yeah manual wing seep is definitely slept on in dogfights.
Funnily enough didn’t really consider watching just a normal video of a guy playing the thing, I’ll check it out sometime. I did actually notice the MLD would wing rip at sea level on full throttle while playing Nuclear Thunder so yea i can definitely see that argument.
Also a more narrow gate width gives it sliightly better flare resistance, but it is negligible in most situations i will agree.
I also don’t know a whole lot about the acceleration of the missiles, but I believe 4 - 6 AIM7Fs to still be a fairly capable loadout too, their tracking is a little bugged though i do notice.
Will have to make my own judgement on it when i get my hands on the MLD I suppose, maybe I’ll get back to you someday lol.
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You’re wasting your time on him my fren
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Let me know your opinion once you experienced with first hand, would like to discuss with you more :)
Yeah I noticed.
Welp I did my best to correct him.
Dude still stawmaning to the end can you have genuine argument for once ?
Oh what a failure so much you dodged question and started strawmaning like crazy and throwing ad hominems yes definitely a failure.
And i never stated that MLD needs br. reduction but still you managed blame it on me oh well some one definitely has comprehension issues.
Again you stated that i have opinion that doesn’t mattered but stated that F-4J is worse than MLD in every way but somehow it has higher br. MLD so whos opinion doesn’t matter again ?
Well hello there reddit mod.
I have no horse in the MLD vs F-4J race, but lets not pretend that BR placement is the holy grail.
Gaijin has shown time and time again that they are pretty disconnected from reality when it comes to BR placements, the J-15T and Su-30SM/MKM is only one of many examples for this.
Well it’s not about MLD or F-4J br. placement but about queston that if Phoenix missile can be easily dodged trough multipathing then why same thing could be said about R-27ER. Oh which he stated this.
And i asked if his opinion mattered so much why F-4J/S is on higher br. than MLD.
And? Did say anything different for 27ER?
I already explained to you countless times.
People who can’t even perform properly is the reason why MLD sits lower than F4J/S in terms of br placement.
You really have serious problems when it comes to understanding the people you’re arguing.