Okay, so where is your proof that Soviet win rates are 40% or less?
Your post claims their players are bad, so where’s the proof…
Of the popular tech trees, only USA got close to 40%, and it was in April, prior to the new SPAA being added that counters F-15E among others.
Win rate is a skill metric, not a vehicle power metric.
Uhm did you not see the absolute nose dive the soviet win rate did from may to June in Top Tier? And its not like the soviet winrates are super good in general.
Its a vehicle power metric when the skill is similar tho (or more a low skill floor metric)
In my opinion its just moronic to assume that the average USSR top tier player is just so much better than the average US top tier player that they can drag their (allegedly) worse vehicles to such a winrate advantage.
KD is a lot better metric for vehicle performance, Alvis says WR is a skill metric but im more inclined to argue its more about what nations have players that stick around in matches longer and dont ODL as often.
Premium sales at 11.7 will affect this, and im sure kh38 uncotested spam has a bit to do with that as well, but like other people have pointed out aside from 12.7+ america pretty much has the upperhand on CAS at pretty much every other BR or at least stays very competitive. Russia doesn’t see any LGB w/ tpod or FNF missiles until 11.0 and get 1/3rd the number america has from 10.3 onwards.
Also CLAWS is the second best SPAA in the game behind the IRIST now going off KD and pantsir is barely in the top5. I imagine if they ever get around to fixing the radar it could be #2 or 3.
True but i would argue that you need wr to get the whole picture since tank performance is only half the story in ground rb and sadly Statshark doesnt really show plane performance in ground rb.
I never claimed anything else just that top tier was where CAS was the most one sided and oppressive.
Yes and with the declining soviet WR this would correspond with my claim that the winrate difference between US and USSR top tier was mainly the overperformance of the Pantsir+KH38 combo and not the alleged higher average player skill
Ya if players were expected to stay in the match for the entire duration and keep spawning sure.
There isnt much you can do if people on your team leave and the match becomes like 5v10 no matter hoe good/bad your vehicles are. And this seems to be case in about 80% of matches above around 10.0
Sure Winrate is not a perfect indicator, neither is KD but movements in both can be a good one. But we probably need the July stats to properly see the impact of the sale
Thanks for acknowledging that the dive is due to players switching tech trees.
American vehicles are superior to Soviet vehicles, yet win rates never showed this due to it being a metric of player skill.
I literally said the opposite but bad faith arguing seems to be your mo.
In my opinion its just moronic to assume that the average USSR top tier player is just so much better than the average US top tier player that they can drag their (allegedly) worse vehicles to such a winrate advantage. Whats more likely that one of the most popular nations just has massively worse players on average or that the other nation just had the better ( or easier to play) lineup?
Poor Russia 56% win rate in TT SIM. It says a lot how the Russia is strong as a nation, considering that SIM is always RU+CH vs everybody else…
Pre-patch the WR was 60% so the SLM made a difference.
Doesn’t matter 50.000 played games in SIM vs 2 million in RB less than half of a percent absolutley insignificant.
@H_ngma
Then why have your posts been arguing that Soviets have higher skill [win rate] for so long?
Your posts are flip-flopping between positions.
Also no one said that there’s a drop in games played.
Shifting players is entirely unconnected with game popularity.
Not only that, but for 5/6ths of June, there was no new SPAA to. Which you should’ve assessed by the fact the update released on the 25th.
June’s win rates are with the old SPAA and Su-30SM being as untouchable as F-15E, Rafale, etc.
A) it matters in SIM
B) Its like the voting polls… you don’t need to question everyone to get global picture
Its actually all saying: Russia is winning against all other nations combined (except china of course)…
Well that is true but RB is has more priority because well that’s how democracy and marketing works minority always loses.
It depends on control group bigger the group more accurate the results.
SIM quite different than RB and since you can spawn in heli or plane from start Ru tech tree have needed leverage but in RB player has to earn it.
My positions are pretty stable just either your reading comprehension or your willingness to engage in good faith discussion are lacking. My point was the entire time that for most of 2025 soviet winrate was high because of better lineups for ground rb not because of skill.
The amount of players shifting needed to cause such a massive wr drop would be visible in the stats which it isnt. The top % of players alone doesnt have that much impact over all games.
That just means that the inital impact of the new SPAAs was so devastating that it offset the positive winrate before the 25th. There is no other explanation for the winrate drop from may to june other than the update
This is General section so it apply to SIM as well…
Plane or heli can be spawned by any other nation so it does not bring any advantage to either side… RB does not have the unique perspective of SIM with its RUCh vs ALL…
Nope if balance will be needed to change it will happend and devs won’t care much about SIM we can reference addition of AIM-120A and in Air SIM RED team ended up in losing side for a quite long time.
Only if every side had absolultey identical vehicles but it’s not and Kh-38 can give big leverage.
All those things cotribute to the lower WR of the USSR/Russia afther the 25th. I dont think that the players playing USSR/Russia are better or worst then any other nation mains. Again such is the nature of power creep.
The new SPAAs/SAMs did contribute to the less effective CAS, but they hurtn all nations, not just USSR/Russia.
You either shoot from afar and are unable to hit accurately, or close where every second counts. You have no time to aim. You see the enemy 20 meters away and just shoot at the silhouette. Where are you going to shoot the T-90M, which is 20 meters away?
Skill issue. Like straight up.
Don’t act like Russia doesn’t have an effective SPAA that dominated the skies for the past 2 years.