M774 will penetrate any of it’s Russian counterparts at up to a 75 degree angle of attack.
This is the easiest way to knock out any Russian MBT with a single shot, yet whenever I spectate server replays of people who claim that M774 is inadequate, they can consistently be seen aiming for the UFP or turret instead of the sides.
been the best performing one.
T-90M is so incredibly mid.
what’s your performance metric for these claims? k/d? win rate? absolute frags? dopamine per second of pressing W? time to obtain kh38 (TTOK)? praise from pro players per day (PFPPD)?
per vehicle stats are misleading since the meta changes, e.g. 2A5 and 2A6 used to be much worse than they are today. if i also chased the meta it might be a valid comparison though
Looks like Necrons has a mod buddy. Honestly not surprised.
Yeah and pure coincidence that razervon/alviswisla is about to pipe up with his valuable contributions and reasonable arguments
lmfao
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Now shift the point of view 15 degrees to the right and try shooting there again, see what happens. Often they don’t provide enough of an angle to make shooting the return roller useful.
Also there is a good chance that the shot shown would permit return fire considering none of the crew, the horizontal Traverse mechanism, or breach was damaged.
that’s my entire armor point right there btw, assuming these low knowledge players are equally distributed among nations, then the nation whose tanks require more knowledge to pen effectively has a strong advantage
again not complicated
A return shot whilst the turret is several dozen meters removed from the hull?
I’ve got 3300 kills in my M1’s combined, let alone those in my Leopard 2’s and Challengers, that exact shot is how I’ve popped the turrets off hundreds of T-series tanks.
Again, this really is an issue with you not know where to aim/being a US main, and each and every comment you make on this topic further proves that point.
Yes, I’ve got all of the Moderator staff directly under my spell.
It couldn’t be that your comment added nothing to the discussion, surely that wasn’t it.
The issue with that argument is that poor aim is punished regardless of what shell/vehicle you’re using. A Leopard 2A4 having 8% more penetration won’t magically allow it to UFP a T-90A.
We once again come back to the fact that across millions of recorded games, the average player performs better in the M1 than they do in a T-80B or Leopard 2A4. And I am not of the opinion that the average M1 player is of higher skill than it’s opponents, save for the Challenger because UK mains are a masochistic though skilled bunch of their own.
lol yeah it’s “punished regardless”
poor aim in a M1, your target doesn’t take any damage and you’ll die in the next 5 seconds
poor aim in a T80, you have to wait an atrocious 7 seconds to shoot again and your first shot likely still penned and crippled your target
definitely the same. my point stands
Further indication that you don’t play Russian tanks.
ok so now you’re implying that T80 → NATO has the same or worse odds of damaging than the opposite… don’t know what to say to that
reminds me of that time i said the type 16 had a smaller silhouette than the stryker and russian mains here all told me i was wrong
No spare charges were hit, so an ammo detonation is not certain you would be depending on the state of the autoloader and getting lucky to ensure a mission kill.
Again not what i was talking about, it’s not a frontal engagement.
Proof?
3BM42 / 120mm DM33 goes straight though the Turret face of the baseline M1 out beyond 2km or so so I don’t really see them having to aim outside of the narrow section of the UFP that doesn’t bounce shells into the necked down section of the turret.
So your argument is that he’s “seal clubbing” in… Sturer Emil, 8.8cm Flak 37 Sfl, Panther F, T-64B, and Object 120… right…
Even though that performance suggests he has higher performance in support vehicles and is likely capturing more in medium and heavy vehicles irrelevant of tech tree.
100 meter M774 is 430mm angled 371 flat, DM13 is 450 angled 390 flat, DM23 is 470 angled 407 flat.
Plate thickness from statcard / cos 60 = angled answer.
These rounds are only on the most mobile of the thermally equipped platforms at 10.7.
Also I made a post refuting Russian vehicle donut-glazing earlier:
Funny that Rhonin, a 3 tech tree player has the same performance in all 3 tech trees. USA and German bias now?
Polar has the same performance in China and USSR, his two main tech trees. China bias?
Your own Soviet performance is on-par with all your other main battle tanks. If Russian bias was ever real you’d at least have a KMR or KDR change like what I do with Jagdpanzer IV or F-18A.
In-fact, I can’t find a single OP vehicle you’ve ever used… at least while it was OP.
Tripod, Necrons, myself, and so forth all provide valuable perspectives to this discussion.
Though Tripod could use an expansion into other tech trees outside just USA; I do trust @tripod2008 's research more than others though and his research I’ve used to form many of my positions.
I know the real reason people don’t play the tech trees they falsely claim are OP: The moment they do data exists to refute bad claims.
Also funny IRIS-T moment:
and btw @Necrons31467 i play the T80-UM2, it’s got no thermals so i don’t mind playing it despite the bias
it’s only got kontakt 5 and i bounce a hilarious amount of shots without taking damage
so i know how russian tanks feel tyvm
What I’m saying is that your comments indicate you lack an understanding of the Soviet/Russian MBT perspective.
You have a false view of how that experience goes, and you seem to believe that poor aim whilst using Russian tanks does not go punished heavily.
Each and every comment you make on the subject. If someone asks what those three pedals do on a car, I can assume they do not know how to drive a car.
They most certainly would be in-game.
You’re thinking of frontal engagements where the opposing vehicle is aimed perfectly at you. That’s not reality and that virtually never happens.
And M774 can go straight through the front of a Leopard 2A4’s turret as well.
Meanwhile, the M1 offers better all around armour, better all around mobility, very marginally superior gun handling, faster reload rate, larger ready rack, no hull ammunition stowage, safer crew layout, protective fuel tanks along the hull sides, 50. cals, etc.
Again, I’m getting a bit tired of repeating this, but you’d have known about that if you actually played any of the M1’s contemporaries.
No offense, but that one legitimately made me laugh out loud for a moment.
Mate.
You’re sitting on a 43% winrate and you die in 100%(!!!) of the matches you play in it. If that’s your best case for the existence of Russian Bias and supposedly fantastic armour, you’ve got a long way to go.
We’ve been going at this for hours now, I’m gonna leave it here.
I play russian tanks and non-russian tanks, i know the russian ones don’t get punished as heavily for poor aim, and it also makes sense on paper given their relative armor coverage. deal with it?
you can’t bounce shots in the T80 UM2 because you have a bad win rate in it
idk what’s more amazing, how irrational that counter is - or the fact that every russian main writes the same response when i bring up my UM2 that doesn’t have a line up. (and 100% death is because i use my back ups to spawn it twice, therefore often dying twice in the same game… you really are statistically challenged)
I love when people who play almost exclusively (sometimes 100% exclusively) Russia like to throw other people’s winrates in their faces…
Russia is the most handheld nation in this game; you have to be a literal re-re to be under 50% playing almost nothing but Russia. That’s why most of them do it to begin with.
to be fair, buddy’s attacking my WR in a T80, but you’re right that it’s a common and stupid af response to point out bad nation WR when a non-russian main says russia is OP. just proves their point.
As opposed to those who exclusively don’t play Russia and say how great it is?
Necrons is a USA, Germany, and Soviet main.
He’s more of an American main than tripod currently is, though tripod’s getting up there in America.
Win rate has nothing to do with vehicle capability BTW @Necrons31467
Basic stats 101 will teach you the skills to know that much.
Only bring up win rates when discussing where skilled players move across the tech trees.
