Well i did not bring a stranger’s mother into the conversation in a video game forum for simply not agreeing with my opinion. You’re literally known for losing your temper over stuff that’s not worth it at all, so stop mentioning me from now on.
Lord save me , this is why I throw insult at you and the other Russian Biased believer the moment I see anything from you. It is just all yap. Saying
This is insult another person mother but he saying
This is completely fine. Yeah sure lady boi
I know all you can do is cherry picking but cmon man , having english at your first language should have at least armed you the ability to read at least everything the other person said and take a few second to digest it. Instead of picking it off to find something to insult back. Can you stop crying for once and actually return to the discussion , sorry for the edit. Prob best for me cause I prob gonna stop if you keep schizoing and cry about random stuff and insult me
well uh back to “Russian Bias in 2025???”
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So according to your post, all heavy tanks ever made are Russian…
Just cause Tiger 2s, T26E5s, KVs, etc sometimes survive 500kg bombs.
Correct. Though the correct term would be newer vehicle of equal capability.
Except it does when you are fighting outnumbered nearly 3 to 1 and taking functionally no casualties.
You can keep trying to stray from the fact that US tactics were superior but try to explain the attack of the combat of the 1st Marine Division’s attack on the Kuwait Airport using M60A1 RISE(P)s sporting M833. They went up against T-72M1s and T-62Ms which, during the Iran-Iraq war dominated the M60A1. Meanwhile during this attack the 1st Marine Division destroyed 250 T-55/62Ms and 70 T-72M1s pieces of armor with no losses in M60s outside of a mine plow M60A1 which was disabled by a mine.
70 M60A1 RISE(P)s engaged and destroyed an armor group literally 5 times their size, took no casualties and wiped the floor with them.
Curious that somehow the Iraqi military now crumbled against the same piece of armor it had supposedly dominated with it’s T-72s and T-62s in the prior conflict, when the only change was the addition of ERA tiles.
Its almost like the Iraqi military was a poorly commanded army and it does not matter what armor it had, the US military could have rolled up in Shermans and still obliterated them because it had actual competent crews, commanders and sound tactics.
He did not say whatever you yapping tho… Americans when you didn’t say anything that insult their Military power but they still mad at you for saying so (Cherry picking at it finest). Also considering other aspect and Air Power. Yeah sure , who would have thought they would lose fast
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“I’m not arguing those aren’t the facts, only that it doesn’t really prove your stuff is good when you’re fighting seriously outdated tech.”
- The X only win because they fought outdated tech
Ok here is outdated tech killing your outdated tech in the same conflict.
- You are cherry picking
Sure my guy. You are aware that the Marines counted aircraft armor kills separately from the marine tank battalions right?
The aforementioned number of kills is exclusively armor V armor kills, if I add in the hunter killer LAV team kills the number skyrockets even higher.
No, the M60A1s, a tank considered inferior to the T-72M1 and an equivalent to the T-62M, slaughtered them wholesale when the prior conflict had the opposite occur. That is a fact.
You would like to look at what you just posted before asking me about that. You literally , just proved yourself wrong. And he himself did not say that whatever lady boi was yapping about isn’t fact , which they are. Even he said it himself
Am I cherry picking ? Did I say that you are wrong or lady boi wrong ? No , I did not. I just find it funny that why my man bringing in a few decades old conflict into a game discussion for whatever reason. But you did admit that M60 are inferior , then why the yap ? Who ask man ? That more of command issue than tank quality.
Did I say that you were wrong ? Did I stutter ? No I did not. Nor was he , nothing mean or even an insult was thrown at the US and it allies in the Gulf War. Not a single word. Only confirmation over and over the compliment that were given to US and it allies. Still don’t see why my man gotta cry about it
Lol , lmao even
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Taking a quote as what I said, lol, learn to read my guy.
Shame that I did not bring it up the Gulf War in the first place, you can thank GALWAYLION for that. To that same end, yes the M60A1 is inferior to the T-72M1 and equal to the T-62M, and guess what, it absolutely obliterated both of these vehicles in real combat, its almost like inferior vehicles with superior crews and tactics can win, fancy that.
Once again someone else has tried to inject themselves into a conversation without understanding any of the prior posts. I would implore you to actually go back up the comment chain and educate yourself as you are currently making a fool of yourself.
you need to drop the bomb at the tank, not 2 streets away
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What the hell have to do with me now?
No he was bringing it back so I have to clarify. Maybe reread what I sent.
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Well I miss quote , whatever tho
He was talking tank quality , you yapping about Tank crew skill ? Ok but who ask bro
Damn my bad , sorry for that, I didn’t bother to read wall of text about Gulf War above. My bad gang
I literally just confirm what you said above , what is bro yapping about
I mean I don’t need to inject myself that much , you will bring me in anyway. I could try make a fool out of myself but I can’t make a bigger fool than one that already here , you for example. My man so good at being one that I get disqualified despite not even signing up for the competition.
Lol , lmao even
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Farming T-55s I see, congratulations.
You failed to notice that difference between RISE (P) and T-72A is much less than what latter had to deal with against M1s.
“I failed to read one line of text”
I don’t recall being the one to begin this line of conversation with you, last I checked you were the one responding to me. You have some amazing object permanence since this was literally 5 posts ago, or are you an alt account to MotorolaCRO since thats whom I responded to.
So you interject yourself into a random conversation, add nothing productive and then feign victimhood.
Get back to me when you actually have something worthwhile to actually add.
And you seem to willingly omit the fact that those 250 T-55/T-62M1s were predominantly T-62Ms and those T-72M1s were still killed by an armor group of only 70 M60A1 RISE(P)s. I already told you the total number of T-55s in the Republican Guard earlier on, I’m hoping you can remember that. Or just keep gaslighting yourself thinking that the IRG only fielded T-55s, I regret to inform you that wont change reality.
Even if we put it full in a 1 V 1 situation, those 70 M60s vs the 70 T-72s, those M60s took no losses, that is an infinite KDR for the Marine Corps sporting what you have now willingly admitted is a closer matchup.
So now remind me, why did those same exact T-72s and T-62/55s roll over the M60A1 AOS+s of the Iranian Army shortly before this? Reminder as well, the ERA of the Marine M60s is irrelevant since Iraq fielded 3BM9 and 3BM17, both are kinetic rounds and the early RISE(P) ERA does not assist in defeating kinetic rounds.
Curious too that in both conflicts the M60 equipped side had air superiority yet the Marines suffered no tank losses to enemy fire but the Iranians did, weird, I was told earlier on that air superiority was the only reason the US forces were winning, I wonder why the same thing did not occur for Iran.
Never said that, please don’t troll and don’t put words in people’s mouths…
Of the ones you mentioned the first two (Tiger 2, the T26E5,) I always manage to destroy them or cripple them and then destroy them, unless I miss my aim they survive, while KV I often survive even if they are within the vehicles assured destruction radius.
Sounds like a skill issue
If you mean operation Nasr it was because Iraq employed better strategy. Way better strategy. I won’t go into details /describe the battle… but it had nothing to do with tank vs tank battle. In fact, it was one of the modern battles that showcased how much vulnerable the tanks were/are .
I studied that battle when i was trained in anti-tank missiles…
Let’s say Iran just walked into a slaughter. They were not prepared about…anything.
Also, the M60 or T62/T72 is a piece of equipment. Good or bad. Without good strategy /training won’t get you far. Iran’s air superiority on the matter , was nothing close to what US had.
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Thats almost like the thing I’ve been harping on this entire time. People here have kept trying to solely compare the vehicles as is, omitting the superior tactics and experience that certain nation’s crews have.
The Marine M60s did not win because they had better equipment, they succeeded in their attack against a numerically superior foe through both the skill of the USMC tankers and the superior tactics and strategy employed by coalition forces. By comparison, Iran’s armor was critically misused and suffered terribly due to it.
I am in total agreeance, armor is only as effective as it’s crew, tactics employed and it’s support.
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