certainly better than Ariete
but its now the same rank as Leclerc, Chally since you get one shot alot more than before
before when you shoot center of the lfp you usually die if unlucky or if the round doesnt have enough energy you would still alive with 2 crew and fully functional tank except engine
Now? same shot, center mass, dead, spall and die
no chance, nothing
I didn’t say 12.0, cause if I do that excludes the OP 11.7s, I said top lineup.
Granted, I forgot to say 5 for USSR.
And I forgot to add the 2PL for Germany.
… and this is how I know you have no clue what you’re talking about.
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I don’t but i just don’t consider gun depression as gun handling categories
Gun depression is the limit how low the gun can depress
Gun handling is how responsive the gun to control against the threat
but that depend on people
still is
get challenger 2 VS T-80BVM it CQC map (which is well known to be general map for top tier nowaday) guess who have higher chance of winning?
one need to aim weak spot
other can point anywhere at the hull.
or
Ariete/Merkava vs T-80BVM
again, one need to aim for weak spot
now it worse because now other can aim anywhere on their tank.
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First one that shoots wins, aim anywhere on the hull of either, or the turret of T-80BVM.
No weakspots necessary cause T-80BVM’s limited armor only works at medium ranges, at short and long range, the limited turret armor is its biggest weakness.
Comparing uparmored Leopards to Challengers is delusional.
im comparing abrams to those not uparmored leos
Enlighten us Sherlock.
Hypothetically, would you rather wear a vest that MIGHT protect you if you get stabbed, or not get stabbed in the first place?
Not being seen is by far more important than armor, and that is achieved via flanking and mobility, something neither T-80BVM nor T-90M have.
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Kopyo-25 should get TWS+ when I think about it, afaik it’s based on the Zhuk radar
I often shoot under the turret but hit the top plate or hit the ring and don’t penetrate.
Unless said boolet vest automatically deflect all projectiles coming at me from all angle , it is not worth talking about. MBTs are heavy tank now it seem like, armor is all and nothing else matter
Let’s be real, more often than not most enemy tanks you encounter won’t be in that angle
It’s mostly:
Just pop them through idler wheel and you bypass all that armor, heck I’ve been killed by those stupid apfsds autocannon from 9040c in this angle
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M1s are pretty on par with those though.
You forgot AGM 65 give up after target popped smoke
At some point you’re going to be seen by the enemy and you will be shot at, so having armor and not being seen is the best thing.
guess what make something like uparmored Leopard become so called OP for the most part?
“armor”
if armor is not important uparmored Leopard should be nothing but normal typical tank in WT right?
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2A7 became OP because it basically received everything it was lacking before.
It has good thermals and great armor.
Armor itself doesn’t make something really good, being a complete package does.
Spall liners also really helped leopards, which made the strv 122s even stronger
You know, funnily enough. People voted for more modules in tanks
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