Russian Bias in 2025?

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@bertgame
1- The only great 12.0 Soviets have.
2- Borderline worse than the T-80U due to notably less armor.
3- Average for its BR, it’s not 12.0.
4- Can’t frag CAS.
5- Not 12.0.
6- Not 12.0. Below average at top BR.
7- Not 12.0. Entirely useless at top BR, unless you genuinely bring Begleitpanzer in a 12.0 lineup.
8- Not 12.0, can’t frag CAS.
9- Helicopters are useless.
10 & 11- CAS is OP, F-15E, Rafale, Su-30, etc do exist, but they reduce the spawn points of enemies more.

So in reality, you listed 1 good top tank, and 2 average tanks for 12.0, and 1 average tank for 11.7.

France has 6 MBTs, 4 of which are M1A1 capable, and 2 are Leopard 2A5 capable, as well as 2 OP CAS the same amount as Soviets, of course CAS doesn’t win matches.
Germany has 4 MBTs all of which are 2A5 capable which are themselves superior to the T-80 series of tanks.
Sweden has 5 MBTs of 2A5 capability.
Italy has 1 MBT of 2A5 capability, and 3 DM53 backups [average for 12.0].

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I know how and have a few times, it just feels like IOG drift is a bit much, because you need to be exposed like 5-10 seconds to guide it and if they know where you are thats plenty of time for pantsir and some other AAs to hit you before your missile hits

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2 MBTs, a useless SPAA, a useless helicopter due to 9 tech trees having SPAA that deal with it, and OP CAS other tech trees have that can’t capture points for victory or get a higher frag to spawn points ratio than tanks…
Oh and mentioning Strela is pure nonsense, that’s like saying Stingers and Iglas are viable SPAA at top BR.
Also USSR has 5 capable tanks for the 12.0 lineup, not 2.
Vs 6 MBTs of France, 7 of USA, 5 of Germany, 4 of Italy [I’m not counting anything that doesn’t have DM53],

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also hellfires are pretty easy to intercept, so you might have to repeat multiple times or ripple fire to get a kill

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Nah u fine. For long ranges like 4-5km+ u gotta aim a little further so IOG will land closer to the target. Also depending on range if u peek a right about 10s guide till its 3-5s the IOG will still kill

U just need to get used to it

512

Ripple helps very much when theres this 1 brian cell pantsir

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I might just be a bit too impatient tend to be 3-4 km out and it might be a bit close for this

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Bruh what a hipocrite…

  1. T80BVM is stronger than t90m
  2. T80u is still usable. Have seen many people playing it + this premium one
  3. Agree its kinda trash
  4. If it cant frag CAS then what about other countries that have literally 10x worse spaa

U also try to say every damn time that s1 cant kill cuz cas is untouchable. Thats ur opinion not a fact. When u play rafale only then it can be unkillable. captain obvious

  1. Dude i have m1128 in my lineup tho 2s25 yes may be little sht but its not that bad. Not to mention bradley

  2. Yea of course not. Cuz u havent seen it 😑

  3. Strela is very good. Unflarable IR missiles that works great for nato CAS that must get closer to use its weapons

  4. Yes kinda useless but fine replacement for s1 same as strela tho i would definitely say strela is better

  5. Just cuz u are unable to play them doesnt mean they are useless

  6. Is just miles better that doesnt require any skill to play than any other CAS + gets its ass covered by a fkn s1 almost all the time

U try everytime to dodge it by saying “not a 12.0” if it works great then its good jeez. What will u say about m1a2? Its not 12.0 so i cant count?

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3-4km is sweet spot for hellfires imo

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yeah, they just take to long to hit further and are too slow to correct close to impact

but idk maybe I just need to practice doing the IOG thing

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Patience is the most valuable weapon i would say xD. Many top tier players lack it imo

If u finally feel how to use them they are awsome maybe even better than fighter cas like f16 in some maps but thats just my opinion

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You still get the best lineup in the game with Kamovs,Pantsir, two jets able to vaporize the whole enemy team with, an army full of t80’s with unpenetrable hull and good speed. Damn you Russian mains love to complain when you guys live in a luxury.

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honestly there are already maps where I prefer heli to fixed wing just because there are some nice spots for helis and fixed wing is constantly targeted by AA and CAP

it helps that AH1z has 9ms for self defense

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and even shooting LFP or side of a t80 is rolling dice whether it will do anything or he will just turn and shoot you

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@bertgame
1- T-80BVM has half the armor of T-90M on the turret for not even NATO mobility equivalence.
4- Thanks for our agreement that CAS is OP.
5- F-15E, Mirage 2000D RMV, Su-34, etc are all untouchable from Pantsir.
8- Strela’s missiles don’t work because they’re limited range. NATO CAS has the same range as Soviet CAS using IR weapons.
9- I am not ten-thousands of players, and I never mentioned playing them as part of my point. SPAA out-ranges all helicopters in the game, which means F&F versions are the only real usable ones.
10- I’m aware that Rafale is better and easier to play than Su-34. F-15E is arguable as easy as Rafale.
S1 can’t cover anyone cause it doesn’t have the ~25km range necessary.

The M1A2 is under-BR’d as well as being stronger than BVM in both mobility and weapons, while having a competent turret more people shoot than you realize.
Hull armor is meaningless in urban maps sadly.

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Who needs so many MBTs? Current meta is all about SP speedrun. You’re fine with just 2 MBTs, can always use back-ups.

Strela ain’t useless. Most of the time it creates a “no fly zone” of around 3 kilometers around it. Everything that comes close will most likely end up dead. It’s just as deadly as Type 81C.

CAS is OP in general, although the Su-34 and Su-30SM combo is the strongest one at this moment. Maybe on par with the Rafale, but you barely see those nowadays. It’s also worth mentioning that Pantsir is easily the strongest SPAA in the game, and it’s in the same team with the Sukhois.

Ka-52 is easily the best non-FnF attack helicopter in the game, Vikhrs are far more capable than Hellfires. Also Spikes and PARS 3 are non lethal, gotta fire 4 of them at once to get any result.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti russian and I’m not a US main either, but from my perspective US ordinance (used by most of the nations in the game) is far less capable than the Russian one.

AIM-120s since the release got nerfed to the ground, from being the best modern BVRAAM to the worst one, it has a great range, but that’s about it. Most long range shots don’t connect anyway.

AGM-65D/F/G/H except the AASM-250 (Hammers) is the only western equivalent to Kh-38MTs, and I’m telling you, Mavericks are complete dogshit. AGM-65Ds got to be fired from the orbit, 70 degree angle, 10km range to get any kills, and it’s not guaranteed, most of the time you will get a “Hit” or “Critical Hit” on direct hit.
AGM-65G/F are way better, but you can only carry 2 of them on F-16C/F-15E or up to 4 on the JAS39C. It’s so slow, that you can’t even kill a Pantsir if there is one. The AGM will be simply shot down.

AIM-9M is easily the worst Fox-2 IRCCM missile in the game. It’s the least reliable missile in top tier, most of the time tracking nothing, running out of energy in a single turn or not pulling enough AoA. Not to mention, it’s IRCCM is the worst one.

Hellfire II is deadly asf, but try to shoot one. If there’s enemy SPAA or CAS present, you are free food. Hellfires are way too slow to do anything in the current meta.

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523

I agree with most of what you said but want to point out that aim9m with smokeless motor is very good in ground RB because people dont see it coming but its tracking still is terrible

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B…B…But my reload is 10 gazillion seconds and my transmission is shit so i’m going to blame you for it.

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@Мłоdу
The current meta of top BR is to use strong MBTs to win matches via ground map control.

Strela is useless, and zero CAS at top BR have a <10km engagement distance.
Su-34 and Su-30 are not the strongest combo; F-16C and F-15E are, with Rafale and Mirage 2000D RMV in 2nd. Rafale having the most AMRARHAAMs equipped with 6x Hammers, and RMV having an Su-30 equivalent air to ground loadout of 5 Hammers.

Of course, CAS is expensive and running those CAS over tanks is a reckless spawn point decision.
Ka-52 is not the best non-F&F missile in the game. Vikhrs are faster longer range TOW-2s, easily defeated by just aiming one’s turret at the helicopter.
I’ll refer to your own comment for refuting Ka-52:

And your posts are running defense for Soviet equipment, namely Strela by claiming it can punch above its weight when it can’t.

I used Mavericks from 2022 to October 2024, they did more than fine.
AIM-9M and AAM-3 are not the worst IRCCM missiles in the game.

526

there is no point arguing with him, he will just ignore your points while making stuff up

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