Irony on the fact you don’t understand pansirs aams lose g over load very quickly, therefore at more distance, it’s far easier to dodge pansirs missiles. Add in the fact the great targeting pods the USA and others have had for years.
It’s only a problem now because Russia finally got a good thermal, on one of two planes in whole tech tree that has a thermal.
You are typical usa main, and you give bad opinion to other usa players
The problem here is not just the Pantsir, but a complex of problems. When you appear in fighters at an air respawn, you immediately dive to the ground to the side so as not to get hit by the Pantsir SAM, but at that time, R-77s are already flying at you, which have launched Su-30s or Su-34s, because they do not need to hide, they have better altitude and radar and better missiles at short distances, and you are pressed to the ground and shot down, because you have no room to maneuver. I tried to take the F-15 on AIM-120 as an air defense aircraft, but as soon as you appear, SAMs and R-77s are flying at you, it is impossible to survive.
Sounds like you have no idea how to fly.
R-77s still are decently under preforming btw.
Also the Su-30 has the better radar over the f15E but what is it the Rafael or ef2000 got so many buffs that they are still better than the Su-30
Learn your facts before hand
if you are talking about radar aspect EF2000 still using normal mechanical radar
Of course, I have no idea how to get out alive when missiles are flying at you from the ground and from the sky.
By air spawn camping them so you can eliminate air threat because you can’t have altitude advantage over them to make fox 3 more effective because of pantsir you can’t do vertical maneuver against them during a dog fight you only choice is to horizontal maneuver against them because pantsir will kill soon as you goes vertical you while they can have every advantage and freedom of movement over you, and you have to kill one very quickly too slow your team might end up become dead steak or you’ll get gangbang by both air and ground if you done everything right you score on jet might look like this (not a single ground kill lol)
He’s clearly a Russian main, you can easily spot them when they try to make Russia to not look powerful while they clearly outperform every nation in literally everything.
yes exept you also lose maneuverability in a plane that isnt particularly maneuverable. even 10-12km out it can be hard to dodge pantsir with a full air to ground load at only 3-4km alt
Russian bias died bruh x-x
ngl 2s38 isnt that OP, its just annoying af
11.0 would be fine since they use 2s38 at 14.0 anyways(i hate when one 3bum22 round take out half of my crew and disable my tank,
abrams suffer on this aspect)
KH-38 is just absurdly annoying, playing top tier US is a lost because most of the time if one russian main that has su-30 they just rekt your team
“Gaijin only listens when people make noise on the forum.”
“Gaijin doesn’t listen when people make noise on the forum.”
Gotta love posts that contradict themselves.
The first quote is correct BTW, Gaijin only listens when noise is made on the forum.
ARK posts are still defending Pantsir implying and/or outright claiming Su-30 and F-15E aren’t OP.
It takes a massive skill issue to die to Pantsir.
Panstir isnt OP, its just better than every other spaa
russia has better air superiority in ground battle than other nations
KH-38mt rain, Panstir air camp
The Panstir can detect and intercept any planes at longer range than any other spaa ingame
When Su-30/34 spawn in ADATS or ITO or FlaRak cant immediately intercept upon seeing because of the range limit
In ground if there are no Air interference then id say other nations would have a slight upper hand on the T-xx but that would depend on the team and player skill
Soviets don’t have better air superiority, all 10 tech trees have equal air superiority except Germany that gets a supersonic AMRAAARHM carrier at 11.7.
Pantsir can’t intercept any planes in War Thunder, they all out-range the Pantsir.
And Kh-38 for the context of ground RB is as OP as all the other IR guided weapons.
HOWEVER, the Kh-38 laser guided version is more OP in a direct comparison and no one’s talking about that.
Either way, as I have said countless times: New SPAA is needed, and lying about Pantsir’s capabilities is easily used an excuse to not add new SPAA.
Lets check
Target: AGM-65B range 23km
Cons: easy to intercept, slow, better chance to run away, has to get closer for a quicker kill in turn get intercept by Pantsir
Pros: Easy kill if hit, can do tricks with gbu-39
Target: KH-38MT/MT range 40km
Cons: Require no skill
Pros: See, lock, kill. Very good range, fast af, cant
be intercept as easy as AGM-65B
Panstir range 20km
Cons: Cant intercept immediately at 23km, suck against gbu-39
Pros: Can immediately intercept at 20km, can ignore gbu-39(require to be concious) to intercept AGM-65B, has the time windows to run away or “everyone for themselves”, good missiles, anti tank but require to have exposed side armor
ADATS 10km range
Cons: 10KM limit range, bad irst lock, cant lock munnitions properly, 10km missile limit
Pros: Anti DAT Shit over there at range, Anti DA TankS over there, good missiles
@MrBombastic8
They can intercept my F-15E’s AGM-65s and die to the 20 glide bombs, or they can escape letting their MBTs die, or they can attempt to intercept the glide bombs while their MBTs and they themselves die.
Any of those scenarios the F-15E, Su-30, and Rafale leave that situation alive and with at least multiple frags.
No IR AGM requires extreme skill.
Pantsir range is also not 20km against anything other than drones. It’s 16km against jets, and 18km against helicopters.
you forgot to mention that that AGM 65 has a much lower probability of kill after hitting then KH38
the bomb are as fast as the agm when the burner on the agm runs out, sending bomb is potent but you have longer time window when intercepting the agm than the KH
KH has much better range and faster which at a range where they can be see and lock they can kill you and your teamates because they would prioritize the spaa over the mbt, because no spaa means no mbts and no mbts mean you lose
pantsir can intercept and run
glide bombs is again potent but they dont do much because you have to launch them and at further range their effectiveness equate to a goose egg because the panstir would intercept the agm over the gbu, at least 2-3 agm before they can run
Agm require you to manuver more than kh, kh just fly straight launch and return, no spaa can intercept you
agm to be effective need to get to close range where spaa can intercept and within 20km u can already intercept it using pantsir
closer range mean higher chance to kill but also higher chance to die
Pantsir-S1 can (in the paper) intercept anything, it’s one of the purposes of the system, regarding planes, it can easily intercept if the operator have only two working braincells, one to spawn and the other just to throttle up.
