Isn’t that one of the main reasons we dont have Heli PVP anymore? It was before I started getting heavily into helis but in terms of heli v heli PVP in GRB or any mode with PVP the US heli’s dont have much to use against the KA-50/52 series helis. Not to say we cant get a few here and there but overall they will win the fight at least 8/10 times. We can use our hellfires but unfortunately that wont work if you have vikhrs coming your way just from the speed and flight difference between the two. Not to even mention getting up close in a gun fight with it if you managed because they have arguably one if not best cannons for helis in this game. Stupid accurate and deadly compared to the m230E or m197 on the US side. One of the reasons I laugh when I see people claiming the US helis are better in GRB or that they are on par with each other. That’s a negative and the only mode I’ve found the US helis to be better is heli PVE but that is about it. The apache shits on KA-50/52 in there it’s not even funny or fair if I’m honest.
Exactly Gaijin wont model the top attack or the direct attack mode for Hellfires which means the small explosive mass will not destroy tanks and for helis the missile is so slow compared to the Vikhrs then we have Stinger vs IGLA.
I don’t think you will find AH-1Z and “game breaking” in the same sentence, it has been underwhelming for its entire career in War Thunder.
Heli vs Heli the Stinger is better
if we ignore DIRCM :/
@luque13
Lets not forget the fact that Ka-50 was like this since release which is A LOT of time (years).
now they added modules and i have no idea how it behaves now.
wait for em to come again and say “ohh it was a bug” yeah, a bug which was like this for YEARS and conveniently only for russian heli lol (people complained a lot about the damage model, it wasnt a secret or a rare bug they didnt knew about)
take in mind this videos is from 1 year ago
They have to fact-check as well as determine severity of the issue compared to other issues.
13km won’t change ADATS being useless, but the explosive filler will change damage to helicopters.
@Mizzar1529
Ka-50s were still dying to pilot snipes left and right.
Stats were showing Ka-50s dying, much like how stats showed F-16Cs dying to Pantsir despite F-16C being unkillable when used corrected.
Both reports were accepted around the same time…
That’s just not true. Having a greater range to track targets means you can fire ahead in anticipation so when the target reaches the 10km range, the missile will probably be half-way there.
It’s not going to make the ADATS good but it’s still an improvement nevertheless
Edit: not sure why every time I reply, it doesn’t actually reply
It did reply on the one prior to this reply.
Either way, helicopters will always be in range, and fixed-wing will never get in range.
Yes, this would only help a little bit against helicopters.
The ADATS’ missiles already struggles past ~8km, so at 14km they won’t hit any jets at all.
Targets doesn’t mean just aircraft. It also means A2G weaponry. Agms, Gbus, etc, it gives you more time to react against them
I would rather lock onto a Kh38 when it’s 13km than if it’s 10km
Why I love helicopters so much ) I love when they can see my pilots grin clearly and they love how easy it is for me to die as a result. It’s a win for me and a win for them.
I wouldn’t say underwhelming as it’s the best top end heli in the US tree and in the right hands can be very good at CAP. Much better than the AH-64D is that is for sure. With that said we can still do work just not as good as others and that is ok with me as long as it isn’t night and day difference between helis. I dont own the KA-50 and after test driving it a little I know I wont ever own it because it would be too much fun. If I could just borrow that gun it has for a littlebit and throw it on a US heli and you’d likely never see me in forums again. If only Gaijin could finally give the MH-60L DAP guns working gun convergence that heli would finally have its proper identity being different from the other two options US has with its two 30mm LR30 cannons which are much better than the apache but currently are useless as they fire way too wide and you cant fix it with gun convergence. Almost a year now I’ve been waiting for them to fix after reporting it.
It says a lot doesn’t it?
You have a point good sir.
Fair point I was not thinking about due to other distractions.
That’s my point though, TV/IR trackers give you no warning until they hit you, sure a longer flight time may give some extra chances to lose its LOS on you (which is one of the reasons I prefer urban maps) but it’s more dumb luck than anything. At least laser guided weapons give you a LWRS alert so you have a chance to try to smoke or hide.
I’m not trying to defend the Kh38, I’m just pointing out that removing it won’t solve the ATGM spam as it was an issue long before Kh38 was added. And that if bias is involved it CAS bias more than Russia bias,
it should also make it more reliable in bad weather and on hard to lock targets
and now despite entering service less than 20 years ago its RWR cant identify a number of the threats it sees in ground RB
Seems like all Gaijin resources for top tier Russia go into the ground and CAS part of the Russian tree(s), leaving very little for top tier air apparently.
Just like all Gaijin resources for top tier US go into the US air tree, leaving very little for top tier ground.
KH-38 is an escalation.
Agm 65 and KH-29 were already similar.
KH-38 was a bad addition from a gameplay standpoint.
What ever, you seem intent on ignoring my initial point so you can pick a fight over Kh-38s.