Russian Bias in 2025?

AGM 65 are also very strong but they are slower than a KH-38, from the time a Su-34 has released KH-38s. You have seconds before it hits what it is aiming at.

Being faster makes them harder to intercept and gives them a higher kill potential.
They also have a bigger warhead meaning front armour shots do not save you from a KH-38 whereas an AGM-65 will not always kill if it hits the front of a tank.

And then Su-34 has a 3000kg glide bomb too.

AGM-65 and KH-29 were pretty equally balanced…KH-38 is on a whole new level

And that effects the average tanker that has one dropping on his head how?
You blow up and its some how better if the weapon was flying for 2 min instead of 1.5?

Probably in the past but for the past year or two, that is not the case.

First lets talk about the Vikhrs capabilities in comparison to Hellfires

Helicopter's max BR needs to be increased - #10 by HondaCivici
Helicopter's max BR needs to be increased - #11 by rainy2000
I recommend people take a look at these posts as they address common myths or half truths when talking about vikhrs vs hellfires. If you don’t agree, tell me where the point of disagreement lies and we can have a discussion about it.

You could argue that the Ka50 isn’t good anymore and I could see your point. Gimble limitation along with no thermals limits your gameplay but because how powerful the vikhrs are, it’s the same BR as the YAH-64.

With the Ka52 it gets rid of those limitations and improves it’s multi-role capabilities by a lot.

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Because it gives you more time to react…smoke up or try and move to cover.
KH-38 gives you no time

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you see you could react to a kh-38 alot easier if it takes 5 minutes to get to you,
you just have to fullfill a few requierments for that:

  1. see the launch platform
  2. see it launching kh-38s
  3. realize it was fired at you
  4. smoke it
  5. drive away

same scenario with the agm-65:

  1. see the launch platform
  2. see it launching agms
    you cant because they are smokeless, you die
  3. realize it was fired at you
    you cant because they are smokeless, you die
  4. smoke it
  5. drive away
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how does that help against the smokeless agms,
you cant really see being launched at you

No real objections. There’s a reason top Apaches and Ka-52 are 12.0 and now lower.
It’s arguable that if F&F missiles are ever “buffed” that they can go up to 12.3+.

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You can still see the missile if you see an F-15E or F-16 it is likely launched AGM-65.
AGM-65 are also completely defeated by smoke as the warhead is smaller and splash damage is lower so even if the IOG causes the missile to impact near you in the smoke it wont kill you.

KH-38 is bigger, faster and meaner and if it impacts near your tank it will either kill you or destroy every module and leave you with a 45 second time repair.

do they though? im pretty sure isreal has mavs around 9.3

That’s the thing, it’s not

map: dessert

kh-38

Platform - Su30: 3km altitude, going around 970km/h
Target: 20km
Time it takes to impact: 40s

agm-65d

Platform - F-15E: 3km altitude, going around 1200km/h
Target: 19.8km
Time it takes to impact: NA, the maverick does not reach the target, falls out of sky

Platform - F-15E: 7km altitude, going around mach 1.39
Target: 19.6km
Time it takes to impact: 58s


People really downplay the speed of the Kh-38 and the effects it has on the battlefield

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Obvious ragebait, I’m starting to see why so many people have you blocked

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Should’ve clarified, I’m saying that the Ka-52 is a much better helicopter than the Apache for GRB. Either the Ka52 gets moved up in br (maybe not the same br as FnF helis) or the Apache gets lowered in BR.

Having them at the same BR is just unfair.

Ground Assault is a different story. I would choose the apache over the ka52

i forgot about Isreal …

FNF weapons at 9.7 is crazy

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AGM-65s would be much better if gaijin didn’t gimp their speed for what ever reason. Its been bug reported AGM-65 Maverick likely incorrect flight performance // Gaijin.net // Issues but never implemented and probably will never be cause gaijin just ignores most bug reports. I feel bad for people who put in a lot of time for bug reports for 90% of them to get ignored for years.

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ignores bug reports that are seen as buffs.


for example, there were two notable bug reports made at the same time for the adats.

  • explosive mass incorrect: 7kg → 6kg
  • IRST range incorrect: 10km → 13km

guess what happened in a couple of days? They only fixed the explosive mass 💀

ADATS should have TWS like Pantsir it was designed to track threats while locking a target.
It can still only guide one missile but it would allow ADATS greater situational awareness.

thats a good idea

Isn’t that one of the main reasons we dont have Heli PVP anymore? It was before I started getting heavily into helis but in terms of heli v heli PVP in GRB or any mode with PVP the US heli’s dont have much to use against the KA-50/52 series helis. Not to say we cant get a few here and there but overall they will win the fight at least 8/10 times. We can use our hellfires but unfortunately that wont work if you have vikhrs coming your way just from the speed and flight difference between the two. Not to even mention getting up close in a gun fight with it if you managed because they have arguably one if not best cannons for helis in this game. Stupid accurate and deadly compared to the m230E or m197 on the US side. One of the reasons I laugh when I see people claiming the US helis are better in GRB or that they are on par with each other. That’s a negative and the only mode I’ve found the US helis to be better is heli PVE but that is about it. The apache shits on KA-50/52 in there it’s not even funny or fair if I’m honest.

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Exactly Gaijin wont model the top attack or the direct attack mode for Hellfires which means the small explosive mass will not destroy tanks and for helis the missile is so slow compared to the Vikhrs then we have Stinger vs IGLA.

I don’t think you will find AH-1Z and “game breaking” in the same sentence, it has been underwhelming for its entire career in War Thunder.

Heli vs Heli the Stinger is better

if we ignore DIRCM :/

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