Do i ever denial that 2A7V is a good tank, no? even now i still don’t denial
yeah, I’m gonna say it if it makes you sleep at night
“Leopard2A7V and Strv122 are the good tanks one of the best western tanks in the game with good
frontal armor protection makes it good choice to go against Russian tanks in all ranges”
do i make myself clear enough now?
yeah, and what they lack in return?
Bad heli
Average Multirole CAS
No strike aircraft
Good tanks? yes, it all they had that suppress anyone else
do Russia lack of any of these categories?
Oh, I thought you want balance here it is given Type 10 Abrams Leclerc Merkava more armor that they should have can solve that problem now all tanks need to learn how to aim everyone weak spot everyone happy. (Another attribute well figures it out how to deal with them then like 4sec reload on type 10 now with more armor etc.)
sht you know how hypocrites and double standard you guy look like now? lol
Yeah, if one has problem aiming Russian tanks you guy probably gonna say things like
“LMAO skills issue aims better”
But when i or someone say “same apply to 2A7” you guys are like
“How dare you? that tank is OP or busted”
No, 2A7s aren’t just good or one of the best tanks, they are the best tanks in the game by a wide margin and they’re more busted than BVM ever was.
So, someone that moaned about BVM should moan about 2A7s as well, that is if the person isn’t biased against a certain nation.
They had amazing light vehicle, best AA in the game and great CAP (decent CAS) in Gripen. Only thing they lacked was a helicopter.
Mind you, we’re speaking about a minor nation and they sure as hell were totally busted.
They still lack a helicopter that can function when AA is up.
They still lack CAS that can function when CAP is up.
Balance can be accomplished without all tanks having functional hull armor.
RU tanks have tradeoffs for that armor, 2A7s don’t.
You failing to understand this simple difference is beyond me.
more like Typical CAP and typical CAS good but nothing special when everyone can do it better.
Pffffff!! what!!? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!! oh my god this is comedy gold really lack helicopter that can function when AA is up? damn you ever fly one? (never thought you really dare to saying Russian heli as lacking this I’m surprised really)
well i do (MI-28NM 419 battle) and i can tell you that no they don’t lack sht in term of Heli even when AA is up all they had to do is using brain and not flying like typical smooth brain Heli pilot now using function like radar and some patient damn especially new mini map system that help a lot as long you don’t do like typical Heli pilot do that is
Let me see
SU-34
class multi role Strike aircraft
PESA radar checked
R-77 checked
hmm strike aircraft that can shoot fox 3 back at fighter
yet people still lack CAS when CAP sure can’t go toe to toe with multirole fighter (which you shouldn’t)
but they they can outrage every SPAA that isn’t pantsir while west don’t have anything that completely out range pantsir but they come with both effective CAP and CAS combo
I don’t know what to say doesn’t sound like lacking to me tbh
Hm but when they dominate bringing their win-rate to 70percent for years because of it armor it everyone skills issue
but when Leopard2 dominates because of it armor for like two weeks because its OP
Well but after you say Russian lacking heli (when they have one of the best heli) even when AA is up it like talking to the person that think AH-MK1 better than KA-52 i know that person already throwing common sense out of windows (and I know one person who really think like that)
By typical CAP you mean the best fighter in the game at that time, got it.
Yeah, you’ll definitely be able to guide your missiles in perfectly fine while SAMs are actively engaging you.
Their efficiency falls off a cliff the moment SAM gets spawned, which isn’t really the case for other helicopters that don’t have to guide their missiles.
Su-34
Flying brick
HMD-less
PESA radar but terribad missiles
Terribad ARHs
Yeah, it’s a piece of shit.
Pantsir is irrelevant as subsonics can dodge it, let alone 14.0 jets.
That thing is the king of shitters, it’s the best AA, sure, but does it play any significant role ? No.
You cried about BVM being busted, so not crying about equally busted 2A7s just proves your biases.
That is actually true, good luck guiding Vikhrs for 10 seconds while being targeted by SAMs.
It goes from the best helicopter to mid at best one by simply having enemy AA up.
It has already been know that Ammo not burning / not getting ignite after taking a hit has been a things for a long while now. (This apply to most vehicles in game) But due to Soviets MBTs that has ammo carousel in the middle of the tank. Making ammo taking direct hit was more common and easy to noticeable than the others.
Gaijin did intentionally buff ammo survival ability. Without telling us. Because there are none Devbog that state about this kind of change. This isn’t acceptable behavior.
irl even a little piece of spall hitting ammo propellant can ignite them and make them start burning causing catastrophic damage. As we can see in many video of drone operater (in “certain conflict”) was able to ammo rack abandon tank just by droping hand grenade into the open hatch. Or FPV drone with Anti tank warhead hitting them from the weak spot.
To address this Gaijin would need to remove all that ammo turning yellow/orange nonsense. And make them start burning as soon as they taking direct hit either from spall or penetrator core / HEAT jet.
shock horror his KD in the leopard 2a5 is miles better than the BVM
leopard 2a5 K/D overall air and ground targets. 3.5437
T80BVM K/D overall air and ground targets 2.2216
the 2a5 is considered the worst of the 12.0 leopards as well, so yeah
wanna check the 2a6?
Overall ground and air kills a whopping K/D of 7.1742
2a7 with just 46 games is sitting at a fantastic KD of 5.4348
see where im going?
russian tanks arent actually as good as he would have you believe
(also considering theres over 1500 battles in the 2a5 and none of the other rank 8s or even rank 7s come close to that id say someones a one death leaver as well.)
Wanna see more peak
Ariete PSO with 4.1
According to you using my stats
Is that mean Ariete PSO better than BVM?
oh oh wait is that mean Ariete is more busted than BVM too?
What is gonna be next according to my stats hm?
Challenger2 more busted than BVM?
Leclerc is more busted than BVM?
Centauro 120?
it literally shows even ODLing that the russian tanks do not perform the way you portray them.
my first top tier was the CR2s long before the 2A7 patch came around, so you can imagine my absolute amazement when the BVM was not some unstoppable power house of a tank, its armour is literally its only calling card.
You are objectively choosing to ignore the literal statistics of a vehicle, and have derailed a post by @RavenGuardMarine about the auto loaders of russian tanks, which @MotorolaCRO at least gave a decent answer of the ammo layout etc.
You’ve came in here and just spat about BVM was OP for years.
Another fun caveat, the stats on thunderskill and statshark (while not 100 percent accurate give us a good general idea)
Both showed that incredibly close to when the 2a7 and 122+ dropped russian win rates tanked at top tier insanely hard.
The end of the day, the tanks are rather closely balanced (until the addition of 2a7 and 122+)
The issue was that once it began spreading that the BVM was some sort of power house when it wasnt, all the incredibly good players flocked to it.
Same as they have with the german 2a7, italian 2a7 and ofc the dedicated 122 players.
The BVM had massive issues, the reload, the mobility (especially backwards)
The survivability once actually penned, 3bm60 being a pretty poor top tier round.
were all detriments it had to pay off for its boon in armour. if you even shot under the ERA, or the breach then side of the turret, the BVM was literally just as bad as a T80B for survivng
You speaking so highly of BVM and RU tanks in general should result you in having the best (or one of the best) stats in those vehicles. Meanwhile the reality is completely different as those vehicles have the worst stats, with only UK top tier coming close.
I guess those inherent crippling flaws did in fact stop your vehicles from dominating lol.
I mean, it’s fine if your bias against one nation comes from outside of the game, but don’t act you’re here for balance.
I also speak highly of 122 as well but i have around 2.8 K/D on it while the tanks i called " piece of sht" everyday like Ariete PSO I have around 4.2 (5.1 on Ariete) what is that tell you?
it’s telling you that Ariete is more busted than Strv122?
or it telling you that my stats don’t mean sht unpredictable and you shouldn’t use it as preference?
It tells me that you camp much more with Arietes, that’s for sure.
It’s obvious RU tanks don’t suit you as barely breaking 2 K/D in the busted BVM surely wasn’t intentional.
Yeah, what else can it do? when your entire tanks were green to enemy? go stupid like 122 and BVM without armor backing it up?
don’t suit me yet I manage to pull 2.2 when most average RU main using it every day barely reach 2.0 hah and for some reasons am the one who suck at it.
I mean in NA camping is much more viable because everyone presses W. It doesn’t work in Asian countries nearly as well you have to move and reposition to hold the map. Otherwise you either get no kills, or as they move and reposition they’ll get you and you’ll still get no kills lol.
Here in NA my strategies that worked in Asia do not work here cuz the onslaught that comes the first minute or two and the blitzkreig either works or doesn’t and whatever team loses folds right after lol. I find myself quickly surrounded my many enemies with places that I normally had to only defend a few spots maximum at a normal match in Asia lol.
BVM can only go stupid mode and hold W as in any other playstyle it’ll pretty much be subpar.
This is the difference between 2A7s and BVM that makes the former much more busted.
Those average RU mains are especially good then, as 2.0 is definitely above average.
But this is to be expected, they suffered throughout the TT from crippling flaws and had to learn how to aim from the very start, as Panthers and Tigers don’t really forgive bad shot placement.
