Russia steamrolling 13.0 GRB for ages and nothing is done about it

[SadRIPer]

Been playing 20 13.0 GRB games in a row against Russia, once again :

• 16 games played against Russia, 14 lost ;
• 4 games played alongwith Russia, 3 won.

=> 17 games out of 20 won by Russia, 85% winrate.

NATO forces have to constantly deal with :

=> Broken Spike/MMP missiles doing nothing most of the time ;

=> Nerfed-to-the-ground NATO MBT armors (you sneeze anywhere on Abrams/Chally/Leclercs/Arietes/Merkavas/Types and they evaporate) ;

=> Nerfed-to-the-ground NATO MBT shells (Leos, Leclercs not having the powerfull ones they’re supposed to have) ;

=> Broken modeling of T-series MBTs (ERAs eating Darts/ATGMs/Bombs, autoloader eating darts instead of exploading, trunnions eating darts, fuel tanks sending darts into Oblivion, …) ;

=> BMPTs (no need for further explanations) ;

=> Pantsir-S1 and its 12 ready-to-fire rounds + multi targeting system making it the best 12.0 SACLOS SPAA by far ;

=> LMUR + SU-30s spam ;

=> NATO IFVs being objectively worse than their russian counterparts :

• Fire rate : russian IFVs have way faster fire rate than their NATO counterparts, especially the ones with bushmaster cannon and equivalent ;
• Accuracy : russian IFVs have laser accuracy cannons compared to the lack of accuracy of NATO IFV cannons ;
• Dual cannon : some russian IFVs have 2 cannons available (autocannon + main cannon shooting ATGMs/shells) ;
• Mobility : often, NATO IFVs lack moblity (Bradleys, wheeled IFVs on terrain, …) ;
• IRST : sweedish IFVs lack their IRST ability for some reason, making their Proxy fuze useless.

=> Several T-series MBTs have access to HE + Proxy fuze + ATGM rounds (useful in some cases), while most of NATO MBTs have none ;

=> Several T-series MBTs have acces to IRST (useful against low flying aircrafts / drones if paired with Proxy fuze rounds), while most of NATO MBTs have none ;

=> IRIS-T does not have ARH guidance missiles compared to other 12.7 SPAAs ;

=> Tiger helicopters have nothing to do at 12.7 BR : no IRCM, only 8 FnF missiles, FnF missiles max launch range = 7/8 km VS 15km for LMURs, climb slower, EC-665 Tiger HAC doesn’t even have a cannon to fight jets/helis/incoming missiles… ;

=> AH + Tiger IR missiles “top-down” approach modeling is broken, often need 2-4 missiles to destroy 1 MBT/SPAA/BMPT (vs LMURs top-down approach, which is perfect) ;

=> NATO MBT autoloaders being nerfed, it is now risky to carry HEAT rounds ;

=> Most of NATO SPAAs do not have an autocannon, making the elimination of low flying aircrafts impossible ;

=> Most of russian vehicles are under-BRed : T-72B3 “Arena” being at 11.0 while having APS + top tier dart (why ?), BMPT being at BR 11 as well as PUMA VJTF, KF41, Namers, … ;

=> BM-Oplot being a T-serie MBT but basically way worse, for some reason.

I’m sure there are more things to add up to the list, those being the ones which are just the simplest to consider imo.

I’m not sure if it is done on purpose to punish NATO players or something, but it is clear to me these are all the reasons why NATO players struggle so much at +12.0 GRB against Russia, and particularly why Russia literally steamrolls everything at 13.0 GRB.

Something needs to be done about this issue. Quite frankly, since a little while, if you do not play Russia, top tier GRB is not fun anymore. I feel like WT is becoming bit by bit a “Play Russia to win” game more than anything else…

[IHаteCAS]

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Been playing 20 13.0 GRB games in a row against Russia, once again :

• 16 games played against Russia, 14 lost ;
• 4 games played alongwith Russia, 3 won.

=> 17 games out of 20 won by Russia, 85% winrate.

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=> Broken Spike/MMP missiles doing nothing most of the time ;

Nerfed for gameplay purposes.

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=> Nerfed-to-the-ground NATO MBT armors (you sneeze anywhere on Abrams/Chally/Leclercs/Arietes/Merkavas/Types and they evaporate) ;

Not really but ok.

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=> Nerfed-to-the-ground NATO MBT shells (Leos, Leclercs not having the powerfull ones they’re supposed to have) ;

Leo shells are not gimped lmfao, they have the best shell in the game. Leclerc could get F2 or SHARD.

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=> Broken modeling of T-series MBTs (ERAs eating Darts/ATGMs/Bombs, autoloader eating darts instead of exploading, trunnions eating darts, fuel tanks sending darts into Oblivion, …) ;

Trunnion can eat rounds on all tanks, fuel tanks absorbs spall on all tanks as well. Autoloder doesn’t eat darts. Just because you hit the autoloader doesnt mean there was ammo there.

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=> BMPTs (no need for further explanations) ;

Easy kill unless hull down.

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=> Pantsir-S1 and its 12 ready-to-fire rounds + multi targeting system making it the best 12.0 SACLOS SPAA by far ;

Could be 12.7, one of the better SPAAs as its super good at interception.

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=> LMUR + SU-30s spam ;

But other nation’s OP CAS is not a problem…

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Fire rate : russian IFVs have way faster fire rate than their NATO counterparts, especially the ones with bushmaster cannon and equivalent ;

True.

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• Accuracy : russian IFVs have laser accuracy cannons compared to the lack of accuracy of NATO IFV cannons ;

False. Bushmaster and 2A42 literally have the same accuracy in the files.

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• Dual cannon : some russian IFVs have 2 cannons available (autocannon + main cannon shooting ATGMs/shells) ;

Not Russia’s problem NATO didn’t do this.

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• Mobility : often, NATO IFVs lack moblity (Bradleys, wheeled IFVs on terrain, …) ;

Most NATO IFVs are faster than the likes of BMP-3 and BMP-2, BMD-4 is the only fast Russian IFV.

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• IRST : sweedish IFVs lack their IRST ability for some reason, making their Proxy fuze useless.

The proxy is far from useless. I found it really good on Strf 9040B.

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=> Several T-series MBTs have access to HE + Proxy fuze + ATGM rounds (useful in some cases), while most of NATO MBTs have none ;

Abrams has MPAT.
Leo 2A7V and HU have HE-TF.
Leo 2 PSO has HE-TF.
Challenger 3 TD has HE-TF.
Chinese MBTs have HE-PF.
Merkavas have HE-TF.
Objectively false statement.

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=> IRIS-T does not have ARH guidance missiles compared to other 12.7 SPAAs ;

Uh, I don’t think you understand how this works…

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=> Tiger helicopters have nothing to do at 12.7 BR : no IRCM, only 8 FnF missiles, FnF missiles max launch range = 7/8 km VS 15km for LMURs, climb slower, EC-665 Tiger HAC doesn’t even have a cannon to fight jets/helis/incoming missiles… ;

Powercreep. Tigers were the best helis pre-LDIRCM & FNF, and now are largely irrelevant. Its normal and happens to all nations.

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=> NATO MBT autoloaders being nerfed, it is now risky to carry HEAT rounds ;

Its not. Unless you carry full HEAT your blowout will always work. Also, your beloved Leclercs are overperforming in reload, GIAT claims 6s reload for them :)

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=> Most of NATO SPAAs do not have an autocannon, making the elimination of low flying aircrafts impossible ;

Go ask NATO countries to make SPAA with guns then.

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=> Most of russian vehicles are under-BRed : T-72B3 “Arena” being at 11.0 while having APS + top tier dart (why ?), BMPT being at BR 11 as well as PUMA VJTF, KF41, Namers, … ;

Saying T-72B3 Arena is undertiered is LMFAO. Slowest top tier tank in the game. BMPT is 11.3, and largely adequately tiered. TT one could be 11.7.

All Spike-Mobiles are overtiered I will say, could be .3 or .7 lower for all of them.

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=> BM-Oplot being a T-serie MBT but basically way worse, for some reason.

The armor is where its underperforming, and it is because ERA has a different protection value against different darts IRL. The armor is accurate against 3BM42, but not against OFL 120 F1, because ERA has a flat value in game, rather than percentages which would be a MASSIVE headache.

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I’m not sure if it is done on purpose to punish NATO players or something, but it is clear to me these are all the reasons why NATO players struggle so much at +12.0 GRB against Russia, and particularly why Russia literally steamrolls everything at 13.0 GRB.

They don’t. You’re struggling, not them.

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T-72B3 “Arena” being at 11.0 while having APS + top tier dart (why ?),

Because its slow as hell and has sub par armour compared to later T-72s.

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=> Nerfed-to-the-ground NATO MBT shells (Leos, Leclercs not having the powerfull ones they’re supposed to have) ;

Leopards already have the best shells and are the best tanks right now. And if they were to get their better shells, they would either cause Russian MBTs to move down because they lost their armour advantage, or that the new shells won’t really change how you kill Russian MBTs.

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Broken Spike/MMP missiles doing nothing most of the time ;

Bug report was accepted but no fix yet. This goes for all NATO FnF missiles and hellfires.

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Nerfed-to-the-ground NATO MBT armors (you sneeze anywhere on

Ok ur just exaggerating now cmon

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Nerfed-to-the-ground NATO MBT shells (Leos, Leclercs not having the powerfull ones they’re supposed to have) ;

If Gaijin added rounds like dm73 that would ruin russia. But its not nerfed. Just selective realism

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Broken modeling of T-series MBTs (ERAs eating Darts/ATGMs/Bombs, autoloader eating darts instead of exploading, trunnions eating darts, fuel tanks sending darts into Oblivion, …) ;

Can’t say 100% but odd it happens too often for T-series. And how come Oplot’s ERA is underperforming? Is it because it isn’t russian?

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BMPTs (no need for further explanations)

valid

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Pantsir-S1 and its 12 ready-to-fire rounds + multi targeting system making it the best 12.0 SACLOS SPAA by far ;

Yep true, not meta in top tier but still amazing for 12.0.

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LMUR + SU-30s spam

LMUR having the highest AoA and Su30 having a missile not developed yet, quite not fair imo

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Accuracy : russian IFVs have laser accuracy cannons compared to the lack of accuracy of NATO IFV cannons ;

Gaijin actually denied puma’s high rate of fire because it would impact accuracy. Well BMPT has the same accuracy as Puma lol.

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Tiger helicopters have nothing to do at 12.7 BR

Yes they need to go down in br.

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Most of NATO SPAAs do not have an autocannon

Military doctrine

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T-72B3 “Arena” being at 11.0 while having APS + top tier dart (why ?), BMPT being at BR 11 as well as PUMA VJTF, KF41, Namers, …

I’ve been saying this for a while. Both can go up and puma and the likes can go down.

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BM-Oplot being a T-serie MBT but basically way worse, for some reason.

Very funny situation. Gaijin used the wrong ERA, nerfed the side ERA so it doesn’t yaw APFSDS rounds and it’s missing an extra stack of ERA on the side. Also how does the T80ud have a better vertical gun traverse lol.

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I’m not sure if it is done on purpose to punish NATO players or something, but it is clear to me these are all the reasons why NATO players struggle so much at +12.0 GRB against Russia, and particularly why Russia literally steamrolls everything at 13.0 GRB.

It’s a mix of team skill issue and unbalanced vehicles.
If you’re fustrated, just play below 10.0

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Should I even consider replying to that, taking in consideration you’re a russian main and currently trying to defend your beloved nation at all cost, fearing it might be nerfed someday ?

No, I don’t think I will. You’re not honest in your claims.

EDIT : I stopped reading at :

BMPT is 11.3, and largely adequately tiered

[IHаteCAS]

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EDIT : I stopped reading at :

BMPT is 11.3, and largely adequately tiered

I can help if you don’t know how to kill them.
Watch bmpt death | Streamable 7 minutes of examples.

[racimazzedine]

bro dont even have more than a 100 games in top tier and still come here to complain

[IHаteCAS]

I have 3,400 games in Rank 8 tanks alone across 10 nations, and yet he will tell me I’m just wrong…

[racimazzedine]

russian bais but still have 55% win rates

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french main

[SadRIPer]

Because its slow as hell and has sub par armour compared to later T-72s.

Challys are slow as hell and have cardboard armors. Still 12.7 though, not 11.0.

And if they were to get their better shells, they would either cause Russian MBTs to move down because they lost their armour advantage

Then you’re admitting there is selective realism when it doesn’t advantage Russia.

Don’t worry, I’m sure once the 140mm Leclerc is released, it still won’t be able to penetrate russian MBTs UFP, for “balance”.

[IHаteCAS]

Honestly the 2nd one I’ve seen who shows a severe lack of… you fill in the blanks.

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Challys are slow as hell and have cardboard armors. Still 12.7 though, not 11.0.

Spoiler

Challies do a LOT better than T-72B3 Arena.

[racimazzedine]

not worth tbh, this forum gonna get closed just like all the others 9 others who are now closed

[IHаteCAS]

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Then you’re admitting there is selective realism when it doesn’t advantage Russia.

It would actually advantage Russia, as it would powercreep them into lower BRs where they become a lot better.

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Finaly someone being honest about that issue.

You see what I mean. There is an obvious problem they don’t want to resolve.

[IHаteCAS]

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Finaly someone being honest about that issue.

There is no issue besides NATO players near the 10.3-11.7 being complete bots due to to sales and FOTM rn.

[SadRIPer]

You, Renzo and some others are literal russian bots on this forum, there is no point “arguing” with you.

You’re a russian main, you’re afraid that Russia would be nerfed someday, so you constantly protect your beloved nation.

Btw, I play every vehicle singularly per game, so you have to add up all those games. And I bring certain low BR vehicles to top tier as well. I’m at about 300 games rn. Pretty sure I’m beginning to understand the general trend of 13.0.

Nice try discrediting me though.

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Every game over 10.0 is just pain because if you are against Russia you gonna fight BMPTs all the time and they are so hard to kill