Russia needs more stuff at 12.0

It really is. Anything hits you in the very obvious turret neck weakspot and if you aren’t just outright killed you are crippled with the loss of half your crew, a disabled breach and even a loss of turret controls, meaning you are completely helpless and then killed by the follow-up shot. It’s a very lame experience playing Abrams.

Yes, it is a very big deal that the hydraulic pump is improperly placed because a hit on the side disables it and you lose turret control. Additionally, that’s not even the main pump.

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You are gonna have to enlighten me on this but reading the bug report that gets linked a lot

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hn6WHPVB7r3K

It seems the problem is there is an additional 25mm shield that is not modeled correctly behind the 50mm turret ring itself? And that it doesnt have volumetric?

How exactly are these 2 fixes combined stopping 30mm darts with well over 100mm of pen in most cases? Im not really sure what volumetric changes when the rounds are as small as subcalibur 30mm darts.

And looking at real life pictures of the abrams that turret gap is gonna be massive even if it is 1:1 perfectly modeled. Idk why they made it like that other than to be able to depress the gun over the rear.

IRL the turret ring is immune to autocannon munitions and is rated at approximately 300mm total if I’m remembering correctly regarding protection. A main caliber gun munition that hits it dead-on will still penetrate, but against autocannons it’s completely immune.

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Honestly Italian 12.0 is stronger than Russian 12.0.

Cmon Alpharius, you’re better than this. China has 3, albeit the VT4 is sadge. I’d say 12.0 CN and RU MBTs are sidegrades, where you get more in the CN TT they are worse than the BVM.

As for Israel, Merkavas are really strong rn, and having 3 of the Mk.4’s makes for a superior lineup over the Russian 12.0’s.

If you meant Pantsir, thats not a tank. SPAA can be strong but they don’t win games like tanks can.

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/wjwD6I6j8QU

New video pretty much what has been said here, Russia basically has 1 tank worthy of 12.0. No one wants to play a shitbox with 4km reverse and horrific gun handling at top tier. If you dont watch the video he explains why he has no interest in playing the t90m since its the same story as the t90a. More armor does not help at all in this meta.

I did say ground vehicles not tanks for a reason

and despite not directly winning games good AA keeps CAS from wiping your team out

and its not like you go through more than 2-3 ground spawns very often anyway

I see, however I still think the likes of Israel are better, with China being tied. Russia is just carried by W-Holding BVM into Su-30/4/Ka-52 then Pantsir.

idk if I agree with Isreal being better, you get one more 12.0 MBT but the merks dont seem to be in the best place combined with very limited fixed wing CAS and no AA, the only place they are good on is heli with the 16 spikes on the black hawk but id honestly prefer an ah64 on a good map for heli just because the spikes arent too reliable

I dont have the merks though so might be wrong about them

You should grind them, Mk.4M is really good.

I might, but rn working on germany and proably japan next

Haha nice joke

I’m not joking, its one of my favorite top tier MBTs. They’re good if played properly.

Not exaclty 12.0 but we could also get the B1 Centuro 120
Russia tested it and a number of others back in 2012.


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They are my favorite too but thats doesnt mean they are good
The merks arent good in anything
Not sniping not brawling and not flanking
They are just casual nato mbt but without any big strength
No autoloader no armor mid round and the unique aps is hella nerfed and bugged
Best playstyle is to just outplay ppl with good position and awearnes with sound and such
But in that case just take the type 9 or the leclerc so u have a strength

The Merkavas are decent at sniping with their high-gen thermals and LWS. Turret armor is decent.

You’d be surprised how well they can brawl, as shoot too low on the UFP (Happens a lot) and they will only get your mobility. Merkava can also sidescrape the loader side really well, so they can only take your loader or track at most while you can kill them. The Merkavas side armor is also pretty good, with autocannons unable to pen the upper side. If they shoot the lower side, a few rounds will pass through doing nothing because of the empty space.

The shell’s pretty good at 5s, having above 600mm pen which is great. Also, weight on 105-125 modern APFSDS doesn’t matter for spalling, you can watch Zenturion7’s APFSDS mythbusting video.

The armor is trolly - (Protection analysis lies on them, they’re stronger in game). They have pretty good survivability, however they are beaten by Leos (obv).

As for mobility its pretty nice, as they have the best transmission at top tier and a good HP/Ton ratio.
The APS however, is pretty bad. Its bugged.

I’ve played the Merkava 4s for a while and although it’s obvious that it’s not like a Leopard when it comes to gun depression, sniping is possible. When it comes to armor, I feel like it’s more of a ‘psychological’ armor, as people don’t know how to kill one of them as much as other tanks (they don’t face them as often). Pen is good at 600+ and some millimetres more wouldn’t do much (usually). Speed and transmission is something I like, as you can move fast both forwards and backwards. However, i must say that the antennas and high profile do matter sometimes as camping/hiding isn’t as easier as with some other tanks.
And sometimes shots just go though the whole tank without doing nothing to it.
So in my opinion, although they are not the best, they are good. I’ve played with the T-80UD and I hate the mobility.

Take a look at this (mind the FPS)

Well said.

The Centauro with the planned 125 could’ve been a great pick.

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Gen 2 is a normal thing for top tier
If something its should get gen 3 and lws is nice but not something to go crazy more so on peper tank when u cant turn ur tank quicly to block shots like t90

That was valid before the air supreiority update with 2a7 t90m and spall liners

Just mid
Not bad but not great just to remind leclerc ,ariete, challys and abrams have 5 sec too so exept the leos its normal relaod rate for nato

Again that was the thing that made them playable before the new mbts

Type 90 have better transmition and yea its nice to reverse fast but its not a game breaker by any mean and u pay for it in top speed
And for hp/ton its average nothing special