Not really. Maybe if they keep their afterburners on. Cut afterburner and drop a flare- works 99% of the time.
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That is obvious for any missile without IRCCM, 99% of the time you barely need to cut burner. just pop 1 or 2 flares. Been like that for a while.
Actually I prefer facing the F-18s. No phenoix, no IRCCM.
You can play F-104S.ASA and face both 👍
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I’m genuinely convinced Gaijin forgot it existed, hell even I forgot it existed. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one since it was removed from sale
You still don’t remember, you mixed it up with TAF lol
Oh sorry, I see F-104S and my mind goes to the TAF, I don’t think a starfighter should be able to see AMRAAMs either way (the TAF cant but yk), but thank you for correcting me
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It’s been a while since I used them, but when I was playing the F-16AL it’s AIM9-Ls where far more reliable and flare resistant than the R-60Ms on my Mig-29.
R60s will go after a flare 4Kms away over an afterburner 500m away
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Oh yeah. I think that’s the worst 104 variant, considering what they’re used for.
99% of players use the F-104 to base bomb (not counting A and C and J variants).
That thing can face Phenoixes and their variants (the most dangerous enemy for base rushing imo), and does not come with an useful RWR at all.
Idk for me 9Ls feel very similar to R-60Ms, though they definitely have much better resistance. I think part of it is due to the 60M using a much larger seeker radius compared to the 9L. Also do forgive me, as I haven’t sat down and played the flogger in a while and the last time I did I mainly just abused 60Ms in headons
Really just multipathing helps a lot with that, but I know the constraints of that
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99% of players use the F-104 to base bomb
the premium F104S yeah, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen an F104S.ASA, let alone an F104S.ASA bombing bases
Well, it’s certainly less practical than the TAF/TT F-104.
Considering the lack of RWR and Phenoixes.
That’s why no one plays them. Not good for fighting, nor good for bombing.
The few people you see are people who want a challenge.
ironically the lack of RWR is because it actually has an inbuilt ECM jamming pod instead of an RWR
It’s a little situational, you can lead R60s so they pull with the bore sight at the edge of the seeker limit so the flares fall out of the FOV, while the AIM9-Ls seem to be better at a strait up the exhaust launch. at least that’s been my experience, maybe AIM(-Ls just suit my play style better. And I haven’t used either in a while either so it could have been changed.
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9Ls do do a lot better in that regard, but they are easily avoided with large cals.
Side note, I get more consistent kills with the R-60M than any other missile, not in the hitrate but in the damage output. It feels like every other missile just gives severe [for example R-24s usually give me crits (even though they’re missing a wing and on fire)] but the R-60M usually gives an immediate kill
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R-60M usually gives an immediate kill
I wonder if this is related to the shorter proxy fuse range compared to other missiles?
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That’s a good point, using R-60s you usually shoot at planes with the regular CMs, and things like the Harrier and F-14 have MASSIVE heat signatures, while the Aim-9L is often shot at planes with the large
Cal. countermeasures. which could make them seem similar.
Could be, but it also has a smaller warhead, 1.8kg on the R-60, 4.6kg on the Aim9-L
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Skill issue
Phoenixes aren’t the worst thing you can face at 12.7, that reward goes to R-27ERs. Phoenixes are only good due to how air RB is designed, and that dodging them severely impacts your initial position, and can really harm the rest of your match.
The F-104S asa should be 11.3, considering that it’s worse than the Mig-23ML, and equal to the 11.: J-8B.
What does it matter what you face, when you just basebomb instead fight them :D
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