Saab bought most of the shares of the Defence sector of Ericsson in 2006, but that’s even later than RM getting Oerlikon.
The German Oerlikon factory was purchased in 1923 and in 1924 it was making AA applications for sale nationally and internationally. As this experimental vehicle was made (or assembled as the Volvo and the Sky guard are independent systems) in Germany.
It employed Germans to work and design such systems along with Swiss designers.
Literally blasphemous but ok.
And to put the cherry on top, as this is a ‘failed’ project that found no customers until RM took hold, it does own Sky guard as well as Sky guard-M because they are items in inventory as well as purchased stock, by right of which, they go to Germany.
As an example, the Kf-41 Lynx in the Hungary subtree right now is placed on the same kind of principle.
Sorry for not seeing the question lol,
As for the Rolands, they themselves are a good enough option seeing as we got the R1, R2, R3, VT-1 and the HFK-KV.
Although I would rather that it start with the VT-1 as stock and be able to research the HFK-KV later on
ah okay thanks. Would still be cool if it would be selectable if 0, 1 or 2 vulcans should be mounted, but I think no vehicle has something like that yet in warthunder. Probably will be either 0 or 2
I just mentioned Saab for context, Ericsson is a Swedish company, has been since its founding in the late 1800s and definitely was in the 1970s. It has certainly never been Swiss
Oerlikon had a factory in Germany yes but afaik its primary operations were in Switzerland. How do you know the SkyGuard-M was built in Germany? Contraves who developed SkyGuard-M was established in 1936 in Zürich. Contraves only seems to have merged with Oerlikon in 1972/1973 so I’m not even sure they would have had access to Oerlikon’s factory in Germany, if that was even still operational at that time. Even if that’s the case, which I don’t believe it is, it’s still a vehicle made by a Swiss company. Yes there is a German connection but I don’t really think it’s enough to necessarily exclude other options and mark this as a German vehicle. Gaijin has also shown themselves willing to add the same vehicle to multiple trees in certain cases, like with the ITO 90M and the Kürassier
Who owns the rights to the company today is irrelevant or else a significant number of British vehicles would be German in-game since Rheinmetall holds a 55% stake in BAE Land Systems as of 2019. SkyGuard-M at the end of the day is a Swiss vehicle made by a Swiss company. SkyGuard was in use before the Rheinmetall takeover anyway so I don’t see how SkyGuard-M not entering service matters. KF-41 is in the Hungarian subtree because it’s a Hungarian operated vehicle, simple as that
I didn’t say it was lol. Please don’t misrepresent me.
The book sections the Skyguard-M as a German project.
Yes, and this shows more Swiss involvement rather than Swedish if I’m being precise.
1993*
Plenty of time imo.
And considering Swiss links with Germany IRL as well as in WT, it makes sense to go to Germany, at least non exclusively. So yes, I do concede that more than 1 nation could get it, but only one nation needs it at its current state.
I sincerely hope so. For Germany’s sake.
Ik but according to my criteria, (arguably useless but just stating for the record to establish my POV) Germany cannot receive those vehicles as Germany, the nation, does not have a development or production or ownership share in those.
RM by itself does have a share but not in the sense of ownership of the vehicles, merely assistance with development and that too being, afaik, less than 30% in many cases for individual vehicles.
Well they are kind of different things considering that Skyguard-M is an integrated system where as the normal one is a tandem system.
So yeah, multiple nations can get it, but Germany needs it. Specifically due to being severely limited to 2 missiles and no close range capability.
My point about the radars was only that you said they were swiss, which would imply that that Ericsson is Swiss, which is not the case.
Since Contraves was a separate Swiss company in 1973 and Oerlikon only had limited (if any?) operations in Germany at the time I’d say the evidence for the SkyGuard-M being built in Germany is very flimsy. Rheimetall owning Oerlikon and Contraves later on really has no relevance in where it should go in-game. Again, there would definitely be a case for putting it in the German tree and I get what you say about Germany needing better SPAA, but assuming that it automatically fits in Germany more than anywhere else is a foregone conclusion as there are at least three trees where it could make sense to be added
Yeah that was my mistake i concede.
The source was actually wrong about the SkyGuard-M having the Ericsson Radar. The standalone Skyguard system using the VELOS radar uses the Ericsson one, while the standard Fire control radar is made by Oerlikon Contraves, ill fix this in the post above now… apologies.
Only other disagreement is about three trees that can get it as France defo cant, Germany and better Germany are the top contenders, and only contenders.
EDIT: after the revelation that ericcson had no part, only switzerland and germany are the contenders
I mean, if they are modular attachments, then the “max” of 2 per side should be easily configurable; no doubt that four 20mm miniguns would be able to put out an absolutely mental quantity of lead.
We could recreate that one Dillion Precision M45 quadmount modification that was making the rounds a couple years ago, and that one was only 7.62mm! The missiles are cool and all but…damn
+1 for wherever Switzerland goes, may that be the German tree or somewhere else, but I do think this machine is a Swiss-production through and through.
