Challenger 2 LEP began in 2013, 2020 is when the tank was shown to the public.
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Rheinmetall and BAE are still separate companies, RBSL just a joint venture to co-operate on certain things. The 130 mm demonstrator is entirely a Rheinmetall project.
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You know that it is a Cr2 LEP 2019 with 130 and more armor on the front half of the turret, right?
I said as much in the original post
And you know this was a LEP that was borrowed for the sake of that demo, right
The tank is Rheinmetall’s entry into the lift extension program. The hull was borrowed, but the turret was made by Rheinmetall, so it was decided to use that instead of modifying a Leopard 2 turret.
The turret design was made by RBSL, the package you see on top of it is pure Rheinmetall. So if you like it or no this tank is 70% RBSL. Im not against it going to both Ger and UK. Just pointing the fact that is it mostly a joint work.
RBSL was only formed in 2019, the LEP began in 2013. BAE would of had very little to do with the Rheinmetall version.
DSEI 2019 RBSL Challenger 2 LEP propositon
LEP is a long programme that had at least 3 propositons.
If you wondered who made it, they were kind enough to slap it on to the back and sides.
I’m not denying that, but RBSL was not involved in what I’m suggesting. It’s a Rheinmetall project to demonstrate the 130 mm.
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It is, a Cr2 LEP, with 130 and bonus armor. The turret by itself has ability t to interchange 130,the back was removed and replaced with autoloader and bonus armor was added. Rheinmetall made these changes but the base is RBSL. So it is not like RBSL had nothing to do with it.
So with the tank as a whole Yes, with that changes, No. But you cant deny their potion in it.
I will just stop this with yea it is a Rheinmetall project, lets move on
I will just say that my position is that it should be in both trees, as an example of British-German cooperation.
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I want one
can you post the aforementioned parliamentary enquiry?
I think it should go to Britain so Germany can have more leopard 2 upgrade variants from KMW or Rheinmetall
Germany and Great Britain should have this tank. Just like the 2017 and 2022 EMBT under the union of Germany and France.
WELL, THERE’S A LEOPARD 2 BASE right THERE, and it’s like the tower here was made by France. IT IS NECESSARY TO INTRODUCE ONLY GERMANY!!!
This is written for everyone who thinks that Britain should have it.
Just like that, but with this tank:
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Will have to dig it up again as i have not seen used it in about a year, its one of two pieces of evidence we have for a 150mm chally which i am genuinely curious about both of which are eqnuireies.
the older one is mentioned here Challenger variants | Secret Projects Forum
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Absolutely ridiculous suggestion, -1
The Germans never tested this, nor bought it, nor build it. Why is this suggestion even open?
Just because there is some amount of German tech does not create an argument for it going to their tree. Using that logic, the Leopard 1 can go to the British tech tree because it uses and L7.
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Mate you are crying so loud you and the other British mains, the vehicle wasn’t tested nor bought/used by GB, it was created by Rheinmetall a German company in Germany, the tank was tested and built in Germany not in Britain, the whole argument that it’s should be in the British TT bc it use the challenger 2 as a base (modified by Rinmetal ofc) is as stupid as saying that all strv 121/122 should go to the German TT bc it’s based on the leopard 1/2 tanks, Germany have the right to get this tank just like GB so quit crying.
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you do realise that through the reasoning of this suggestion (gun made by Rheinmetall) Germany gets a claim to almost EVERY Prototype Abrams and most other 120mm NATO Tanks.
the tank was built to compete with the Challenger II LEP for which would become the Challenger III design, are you going to claim the LEP as well because it used the RH120 L/55A1 cannon?
the Tank was designed by a British/German Consortium (RBSL) on a british tank for a british competition. the German army never even looked at this, so why should they get it?
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