Revived COIN & Maritime patrol Aircraft + COIN TT Brainstorm thread

I won’t be counting the Helicopters here since this thread is not about Helis. I will not be considering the Jets here either since they can be very easily be added in the regular TT. The rest will definitely be considered and be slotted in their appropriate tab

Antonov An-72P
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Technically it’s a Border Patrol aircraft rather than Maritime Patrol but that’s being picky as its job is surveillance and armed reconnaissance of sea borders.

Not a huge punch but a twin 23mm and a pair of rocket pods or other stores is adequate to annoy any angry fishermen.

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Its not easy to squeeze Antonov designs in to WT despite being such a large and well know company. Perhaps a little leeway in capability might be allowed?

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Avro Lincoln MR31.

Hardly a looker but as the end of the true Manchester/Lancaster/Lincoln line it’s worth looking at that extra extra long snout added for its crew comfort during long oversea jaunts.

No wonder the Shackleton went with a new roomier fuselage instead, although to be fair that wasn’t exactly a Miss Universe figure either.

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Time to revive this thread!

There are so much more patrol aircraft that we all have missed goddamn I will just list them here but many more may just be forgotten. I was originally supposed to post this in a different thread but thought, this should be better in here.

Anyways here are some patrol aircraft that I think would be good enough in-game:

Gruman AF Guardian (Killer Variant):

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The Grumman AF Guardian is the first purpose-built anti-submarine warfare (ASW) carrier-based aircraftto enter service with the United States Navy. It consisted of two airframe variants, one for detection gear, the other for weapons. The Guardian remained in service until August 1955, when it was replaced by the twin-engined Grumman S-2 Tracker.

Armament:
Rockets: 6× 5 in (127 mm) unguided High Velocity Aircraft Rockets (HVAR)
Bombs: 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) of bombs, torpedoes, and depth charges


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Martin P4M Mercator:

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The Mercator was an unsuccessful contender for a United States Navy requirement for a long-range maritime patrol bomber, with the Lockheed P2V Neptune chosen instead. It saw a limited life as a long-range electronic reconnaissance aircraft. Its most unusual feature was that it was powered by a combination of piston engines and turbojets, the latter being in the rear of the engine nacelles.

Armament:
4 × 20 mm (0.787 in) cannon in nose and tail turrets
2 × 0.50 in (12.70 mm) machine guns in dorsal turret
Up to 12,000 lb (5,400 kg) of bombs, mines, depth charges, or torpedoes

Avionics:
AN/APS-33 search radar


Martin P6M SeaMaster:

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The Martin P6M SeaMaster was an experimental strategic bomber flying boat built by the Glenn L. Martin Company for the United States Navy that almost entered service; production aircraft were built and Navy crews were undergoing operational training, with service entry expected in about six months, when the program was cancelled on 21 August 1959.

Armament
Guns: 2 × 20 mm cannon in rear remote operated turret (1,000 RDS/20mm)
Mines: 28 x MK36 Mod 1 (1,001 lb/ea, 454 kg/ea) - 28,028 lb/Tot (12,713 kg)
Mines: 15 x MK25 Mod 2 (2,030 lb/ea, 921 kg/ea) - 30,450 lb/Tot (13,812 kg)
Mines: 36 x MK50 Mod 0 (504 lb/ea, 228 kg/ea) - 18,144 lb/Tot (8,230 kg)
Mines: 15 x MK52 Mod 0,1,2,3,4,5,6 (1,348 lb/ea, 611 kg/ea) - 20,220 lb/Tot (9,172 kg)
Mines: 8 x MK39 Mod 0 (2,025 lb/ea, 919 kg/ea) - 16,200 lb/Tot (7,348 kg)
Mines: 15 x MK19 Mod 2 (540 lb/ea, 245 kg/ea) - 8,100 lb/Tot (3,674 kg)
Mines: 5 x MK10 Mod 9 (1,960 lb/ea, 889 kg/ea) - 9,800 lb/Tot (4,445 kg)
Reconnaissance: High Altitude Reconnaissance Camera 4,050 lb/Tot (1,837 kg)
Reconnaissance: 27 x M120(T9E8) Photoflash (154 lb/ea, 70 kg/ea) 4,158 pounds (1,886 kg)
Bomb: 2 x MK91 (3,500 lb/ea, 1,588 kg/ea) - 7,000 lb/Tot (3,175 kg)
Bomb: 1 x MK28 (1,800 lb/ea, 817 kg/ea) - 1,800 lb/Tot (817 kg)

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Lockheed P-2 Neptune / P2V-7U/RB-69A ‘Goshawk’':

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In 1954 under Project Cherry, the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) obtained five newly built P2V-7 and converted these into P2V-7U/RB-69A variants by Lockheed’s Skunk Works at Hangar B5 in Burbank, California, for the CIA’s own private fleet of covert ELINT/ferret aircraft.

The CIA sent ttwo P2V-7U/RB-69As to Hsinchu Air Base, Taiwan, where by December 1957, they were given to a “black op” unit, the 34th Squadron, better known as the Black Bat Squadron, of the Republic of China Air Force; these were painted in ROCAF markings. The ROCAF P2V-7U/RB-69A’s mission was to conduct low-level penetration flights into mainland China to conduct ELINT/ferret missions including mapping out China’s air defense networks, inserting agents via airdrop, and dropping leaflets and supplies. The agreement for plausible deniability between US and Republic of China (ROC) governments meant the RB-69A would be manned by ROCAF crew while conducting operational missions, but would be manned by CIA crew when ferrying RB-69A out of Taiwan or other operational area to US.

Armament:
Six fixed forward-firing 20 mm cannon
Twin 20 mm cannon in Emerson tail turret
Rockets: 2.75 in (70 mm) FFAR in removable wing-mounted pods
Bombs: 8,000 lb (3,629 kg) including free-fall bombs, depth charges, and torpedoes
Can Carry the AUM-2 Petrel/Kingfisher C AGM with the P-2V6 variant

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ROC RB-69A ‘Goshawk’ Variant used by the CIA to map out PRC air defense


A Petrel carried by a P2V Neptune aircraft

Fokker F-27 Maritime Enforcer/Dolphin (Thai Service) & Fokker F-50 Maritime Enforcer Mk.2 (Singapore Service):

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Little known development from the Fokker F-27 Friendship Airliner, the Maritime Enforcer is its Armed Maritime Patrol Aircraft Variant only in service with the RTAF. The F-50 is a modernization upgrade of the same aircraft for the RSAF.

Armament:
Provision for up to 3930 kg (8,664 Ib) of disposable stores carried on two fuselage pylons and six underwing hardpoints; typical weapons include up to four AS torpedoes, or AM.39 Exocet, Sea Eagle, Harpoon, Maverick or Sea Skua anti-ship missiles.

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Ilyushin Il-38 Dolphin:

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The Ilyushin Il-38 “Dolphin” (NATO reporting name: May) is a maritime patrol aircraft and anti-submarine warfare aircraft designed in the Soviet Union. It was a development of the Ilyushin Il-18 turboprop transport.

Armament:
20,000 lb (9,000 kg) of disposable stores, including depth charges, mines, torpedoes and bombs.
Kh-35E anti-ship missile


Shaanxi Y-8 Gaoxin-6:

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It is the first long-range maritime patrol aircraft of the PLAN. The PLA Naval Aviation Corps operates a small fleet of the aircraft. The Y-8X development programme was commenced in 1983 when Shaanxi Aircraft Company (now Shaanxi Aircraft Industry Corporation) proposed the development of a special purpose aircraft based on the Y-8 turboprop transport aircraft. The Y-8 is a Chinese licensed copy of the Soviet / Russian An-12 Cub aircraft. Y-8X is the first special mission variant derived from the Y-8 military transport aircraft. The development project was assigned to Shaanxi in October 1983 and design proposal was approved by the PLAN in November 1984.

Armament:
Little is known as to what exactly it can carry on its internal bomb bay but based on released pictures, it should be able to carry at least 4 Yu-7 Torpedo.

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Canadair CP-107 Argus:

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The Argus replaced the last of the Avro Lancasters as well as the Lockheed Neptunes that had been bought as an interim measure pending the arrival of the Argus in the maritime reconnaissance or patrol role. One of the most effective anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft of its day, the Argus was a mainstay for the RCAF. A large amount of equipment was carried, including: search radar, sonobuoys, electronic counter measures (ECM), explosive echo ranging (EER) and magnetic anomaly detector (MAD).

Armament
(Maximum load of 8,000 lb (3,600 kg))

Internal load:
Mark 30, Mark 43 mod 0, Mark 44 and Mark 46 torpedoes.
350 lb (160 kg) Mark 54 depth bombs and practice bombs.
Sonobuoys.
Mark 400 Signal Underwater Sound Charges (SUS).
LUU2/B 2 million candle power parachute flares. Mines were neither trialled nor used.
External load: (maximum 3,800 lb (1,700 kg))
The Argus carried out trials for AGM-12B Bullpup air-to-surface missiles and 2.75 inch Folding-Fin Aerial Rockets (FFAR) but these were never used operationally.


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Bréguet 1150 Atlantic:

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The Breguet Br.1150 Atlantic is a long-range maritime patrol aircraft designed in response to a 1958 NATO specification as a replacement for the Lockheed P2V Neptune, Breguet’s submission was declared the winner over several competing bids. To produce the Atlantic, a multinational consortium, Société d’Étude et de Construction de Breguet Atlantic (SECBAT), was established. During 1963, an initial order for 60 Atlantics – 40 for France and 20 for Germany – was received. Follow-on orders from export customers followed shortly thereafter. It was first introduced to operational service during 1965.

Armament:

Up to 3,500 kg (7,700 lb), including torpedoes, depth charges, mines, anti-ship missiles, bombs and/or buoys

  • 8x Mk 46 or 7x Murene series
  • 2x AM39 Exocet missiles or 4x laser-guided 250 kg bombs, 4x MU90 torpedoes

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Hawker Siddeley Nimrod MR2:

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The Hawker Siddeley Nimrod is a retired maritime patrol aircraft developed and operated by the United Kingdom. It was an extensive modification of the de Havilland Comet designed in response to a requirement issued by the Royal Air Force (RAF) to replace its fleet of ageing Avro Shackletons, the Nimrod MR1/MR2s were primarily fixed-wing aerial platforms for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) operations; secondary roles included maritime surveillance and anti-surface warfare.

Armament
Hardpoints: 2× under-wing pylon stations and an internal bomb bay with a capacity of 20,000 lb (9,100 kg), with provisions to carry combinations of:

Missiles:
Air-to-air missile:

  • 2× AIM-9 Sidewinder (non-standard in RAF service, only mounted on the MR2 during the Falklands War)

Air-to-surface missile:

  • Nord AS.12
  • Martel missile
  • AGM-65 Maverick
  • AGM-84 Harpoon

Bombs:
Depth charges:

  • 2x US-owned B57 nuclear depth bombs (until 1992)[95]
  • WE.177A nuclear depth charges (10kt)

Other:

  • Air-dropped Mk.46 torpedoes
  • Sting Ray torpedoes
  • Naval mines
  • Sonobuoys


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Hawker Siddeley Nimrod MR4:

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The BAE Systems Nimrod MRA4 was a planned maritime patrol and attack aircraft intended to replace the Hawker Siddeley Nimrod MR2. In the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review of the Armed Forces, the UK government announced the cancellation of the MRA4 on 19 October 2010.

Armament
Hardpoints: 2× under-wing pylon stations and an internal bomb bay with a capacity of 20,000 lb (9,100 kg), with provisions to carry combinations of:

Missiles:
Air-to-air missile:

  • 2× AIM-9 Sidewinder (non-standard in RAF service, only mounted on the MR2 during the Falklands War)

Air-to-surface missile:

  • AGM-65 Maverick
  • AGM-84 Harpoon
  • Storm Shadow

Bombs:

  • Depth charges

Other:

  • Air-dropped Mk.46 torpedoes
  • Sting Ray torpedoes
  • Naval mines
  • Sonobuoys


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Also are trainers allowed here? Well the L-39 is considered a COIN jet so I guess it is.

I just heard about this but Taiwan actually has a light jet trainer that can double as a light attack aircraft. Meet the:

AIDC AT-3B Tzu Chung

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A proposal for this has already been approved for consideration on the old forums, which I actually hope Gaijin remembers because ffs look at this thing. Designed in collaboration with Northrop - it is quite literally a mini F-5 if you can even make it smaller. Also look at this.

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Look at the absolute unit of a missile it got strapped on there goddamn! Its probably the Hsiung Feng II infrared & active radar air-to-ship missile but that is one large missile. It can also carry the Sky Sword I missile used in the just released Antelope AAV.

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Heres a bonus:

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Combat Trainers are allowed however i’ll add a caveat for some of them since some of them can be added to the regular Air TT and do just fine. Same goes for some of the Maritime Patrol aircraft

As much as i love the Sea Master and jet powered flying boats in general it won’t be on this list. Even though Maritime Patrol is one of the roles the Sea Master can do it’s main role in the end of the day is Strategic bombing

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Diagram of the weapon loadouts for the S-3 Viking ASW and Maritime patrol aircraft

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Martin P5M-1 Marlin, a forgotten Beauty!

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Very much overlooked the P5M served the USN from 1951 until the final Patrol flight of a SP-5B (P5M-2) by VP-40 in November 1967 which signalled the end of regular flying boat operations. The P5M-1, identifiable by its low set horizontal tail, would be my choice for inclusion as she would at least have a chance to ward off tail chasers by virtue of her rear turret that would later be replaced by the antenna for the AN/APN-122.

A once familiar sight as a P5M-2 gets hoisted aboard the Seaplane Tender USS Currituck (AV-7)

The P5M-2 was also operated by the French Navy in an attractive white over blue scheme. The lack of any defensive armament on this variant would make her rather less usable in WT though.

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The S-3 Viking is so underrated man

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Another possible aircraft would be the Thai GAF N22B Nomad.

It is listed on the Thai Aviation website as having one airframe (46126) with the “JL.9” designation, the J designating an attack aircraft. The same JL designation was used for Thai AC-47s (JL.2)
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I have recently found this image of a Thai Nomad armed with a door mounted 20mm rotary cannon
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There’s also this image of a 20mm rotary cannon mounted to the Nomad, which seems to line up with the Thai configuration and camouflage, though it might not be Thai.
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That is a really good find

I keep finding references that the N22B Nomads can carry external payloads on the fuselage and wings but the only image i could find a GAF N22 with hardpoints is this image below of an Indonesian Naval Air Arm N-22 Nomad with a wing hardpoint

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